[thinblueline]

why didnt the labianca's go for help or try to escape once charlie went outside to get the rest of them? were they tied back to back or with them not having their feet tied it makes me question why they did not run?

[thinblueline]

good point but with the fear of what happened the night before i would think that as soon as they were tied, they knew it wasn't going to be good. and as soon as the knives came out from the kitchen, and pat and leslie threw the pillow case over her head, i would think that it embedded that thought in her head. didnt pat say the screams of her dying husband would be what rosemary carried into eternity or something like that?

[catscradle77]

Yes I think that quote was from when they all were in the TV room and that it was said to Susan or something like that. There are alot of puzzling aspects to the LaBianca case, and I still want to know about the missing piece of carpet, and the Phantom bookmaker that lived up the road from the LaBianca's, that there is little info on except his name being Ed Pierce or something.

[catscradle77]

Also, why did Rosemary have that dress on over her nightgown? The whole modesty shy thing, really doesn't make sense in light of the fear of getting robbed or killed. It would be the furthest thing from my mind.

[ThorTate]

Re dress over nighty.
I had never heard this.

The only time my mum would do this was if she had to get out the house quickly,an emergency or such.Maybe she knew they were coming ?

If a woman had time, would  she not remove the nighty before putting a dress on.

Oh my mum also used to put a jacket over her night cloths  if she had to go into the garden quickly to rescue the cat.


Any use ?

Thor

[Birds Away]

It would almost suggest that the guest was known.  I could see letting a stranger in if you were at gunpoint, but he wouldn't let her put the dress over her nightgown.  She would not put the dress on at the sound of the doorbell because at that hour he husband would more than likely turn anyone away.  Unless is was not an unusual occurence to get late night visitors in that home.  Just brainstorming.

[ThorTate]

Has she been somewhere in her car ?
If she had and it was to get money,would the cops not have spotted this.

Does it look as if she was getting ready to go or had just been ?

Something was going on ?

Thor

Thanks for the help !

[Birds Away]

The keys were left in her car.  But they did not have automatic tellers like now.  Where would she have gone to get money?  I can't believe she would have been allowed to leave anyway.  There were money and valuables left in plain sight in both locations, why would she be allowed to go retrieve anything?

[coonhound]

I know this is an old post but as many read/reread these topics I thought of something to add. BirdsAway, great insight about being known and being allowed entrance, or if they normally had visitors at this hour. Would ANYONE open the door at that time of night/morning to a guy who looked like Charlie, EVER, if you didnt know him already? As far as running or screaming for help, have you ever been terrified, I dont mean a little scared from the late late picture show, but petrified? Fear has a way of freezing you up. You dont have the time to sit back and THINK rationally about what you would do, you are in the moment. Scared stiff isnt just a saying, it really does happen.

Also from my classes I took in criminal justice in college....the first thing cops look for are patterns of behavior.

Lottsapoppa/B Crowe-Known to family member(s)
Hinman- known to family
Cielo residents- I believe but cannot prove they knew or had dealings w/ at least one of the men there, definitely knew people who knew people there
Shorty Shea- definitely known to family,
Zero- fringe member of family
death of 2 scientology students- didnt the girl used to date Bruce?
Joel Pugh- connection w/ Sandy
Jane Doe- seen at Spahn by Ruby Pearl knew her to be named Sherry

Even though the last couple are not 100% proven to be the handiwork of the Family, you get the picture

LaBianca's, Random?.....I dont think so, there are reasons that over 90% of murder victims are known to the killer(s)
Too..if you've seen Suzan LaBerge interviews, parole hearings.....if she didnt know Tex why the hell would you go through all the shennanigans to get him out, forgive him, etc?

[Georgiapeach]

Regarding the nightgown--wasn't it said that Charlie told Rosemary to put a dress on over her nightgown? I don't remember where I read this so I don't remember how and why he did it. (if it's true)

[mahlerfan]

Georgiapeach, on 21 June 2010 - 12:40 PM, said:

Regarding the nightgown--wasn't it said that Charlie told Rosemary to put a dress on over her nightgown? I don't remember where I read this so I don't remember how and why he did it. (if it's true)

Charlie says it himself in the Emmons book. Rosemary was frightened awake by CM and was modestly trying to cover herself. So he told her to put something on over the nightgown.

[Bottledbrunette09]

I haven't seen the nightgown up close and personal other than it looks pink in the pictures, but perhaps it was a see through nightgown and she was naked underneath, hence being modest about being seen in the nightgown. And coonhound, I do know what its like to be so scared that you can't move. So, yes, I can see how some of the victims didn't try to run for help or for their lives.

[mahlerfan]

Bottledbrunette09, on 21 June 2010 - 03:32 PM, said:

I haven't seen the nightgown up close and personal other than it looks pink in the pictures, but perhaps it was a see through nightgown and she was naked underneath, hence being modest about being seen in the nightgown. And coonhound, I do know what its like to be so scared that you can't move. So, yes, I can see how some of the victims didn't try to run for help or for their lives.

One can only imagine how vulnerable she must have felt, waking up alone in bed with this creepy stranger in her room. And sick as it sounds to say CM wanted to make his victim feel safe and comfortable the incident does jibe with his "don't let them know you're going to kill them" philosophy for the second night of murder.

[greeneyes71]

Given the news story that day, I think I would hesitate before opening the door to a stranger.

[Georgiapeach]

Very true. Of course, they probably figured they lived in a safe neighborhood and "nothing like that could happen here" which is wrong. Something like that could happen anywhere, unfortunately.

[Georgiapeach]

mahlerfan, on 21 June 2010 - 02:27 PM, said:

Charlie says it himself in the Emmons book. Rosemary was frightened awake by CM and was modestly trying to cover herself. So he told her to put something on over the nightgown.

Thanks! I knew I'd read it, but couldn't remember where.

[freebird]

Birds Away, on 22 March 2008 - 08:56 AM, said:

The keys were left in her car. But they did not have automatic tellers like now. Where would she have gone to get money? I can't believe she would have been allowed to leave anyway. There were money and valuables left in plain sight in both locations, why would she be allowed to go retrieve anything?

Maybe Rosemary went to collect the contents of the safe at Gateway Mkt. Someone had removed the contents before police arrived. Maybe the black book was in there.

Tin foil hat time. . . . .