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[mahlerfan]

Dilligaf, on 29 July 2010 - 06:43 PM, said:

Great! I use the little dilligaf comment for months, MF drops a little mf comment and he's a comedian! I tell ya' I can't get no respect! I feel like Rappin' Rodney......

Apologies, Dill. Would it lessen the blow if I referred to my younger self as "little m*therf*cker"?

[Anna Marie]

hinman messed up on wilson's dope. it was one mistake, but enough to get him killed.

[catscradle77]

Anna Marie, on 30 July 2010 - 03:00 PM, said:

hinman messed up on wilson's dope. it was one mistake, but enough to get him killed.

Can you verify this please?

[Anna Marie]

catscradle77, on 30 July 2010 - 03:18 PM, said:

Can you verify this please?

difficult to do it, as most of the other things.

but it was wilson's dope, who left him in vegetative state for the whole 70s, that was created and messed up by hinman. then wilson's brother (charlie's friend) wanted something done about, but he wouldn't get his name in this mess.

[Attyla]

Anna Marie, on 30 July 2010 - 03:28 PM, said:

difficult to do it, as most of the other things.

but it was wilson's dope, who left him in vegetative state for the whole 70s, that was created and messed up by hinman. then wilson's brother (charlie's friend) wanted something done about, but he wouldn't get his name in this mess.

There is no evidence of any of this. Source it please

[Anna Marie]

Attyla, on 30 July 2010 - 03:30 PM, said:

There is no evidence of any of this. Source it please

the evidence is the whole story that happened.

manson helped wilson on this one because he was the kind of guy who could sort this kind of thing. he sent bobby, but bobby couldn't get it done.

[Attyla]

Anna Marie, on 30 July 2010 - 03:32 PM, said:

the evidence is the whole story that happened.

manson helped wilson on this one because he was the kind of guy who could sort this kind of thing. he sent bobby, but bobby couldn't get it done.

Manson was involved with Wilson, but your leap from Manson and Wilson to Hinman would need some supporting documentation or collaboration or your just spitballing

[Anna Marie]

Attyla, on 30 July 2010 - 03:38 PM, said:

Manson was involved with Wilson, but your leap from Manson and Wilson to Hinman would need some supporting documentation or collaboration or your just spitballing

right on.

i cant name sources atm.

[Attyla]

OK, well thanks....tell her what she's won, Johnnie!

[Anna Marie]

Attyla, on 30 July 2010 - 03:43 PM, said:

OK, well thanks....tell her what she's won, Johnnie!

i thought more people knew about it, that it was common knowledge

[mahlerfan]

Anna Marie, on 30 July 2010 - 03:28 PM, said:

but it was wilson's dope, who left him in vegetative state for the whole 70s, that was created and messed up by hinman. then wilson's brother (charlie's friend) wanted something done about, but he wouldn't get his name in this mess.

Hmmm. So Brian Wilson's crack-up during the "Smile" sessions was caused by bad dope from Hinman? And Dennis Wilson asked Charlie to get revenge on Hinman, hence Gary's murder? And somehow everyone involved has managed to keep mum about this for the last forty-one years? That's quite a tale...

[Attyla]

Anna Marie, on 30 July 2010 - 03:46 PM, said:

i thought more people knew about it, that it was common knowledge

um, no, just like no one else seems to know about Struthers being the love child of the Biancas

[Anna Marie]

mahlerfan, on 30 July 2010 - 03:49 PM, said:

Hmmm. So Brian Wilson's crack-up during the "Smile" sessions was caused by bad dope from Hinman? And Dennis Wilson asked Charlie to get revenge on Hinman, hence Gary's murder? And somehow everyone involved has managed to keep mum about this for the last forty-one years? That's quite a tale...

crazy isnt, like some dope-robots who kill people. damn fiction!

[catscradle77]

Anna Marie, on 30 July 2010 - 05:01 PM, said:

crazy isnt, like some dope-robots who kill people. damn fiction!

OMG. Pass the Tylenol.

No, Hinman's deal was thru Bobby who supposedly sold to the Satans.

It had nothing to do with Gary.

[courtney]

mahlerfan, on 29 July 2010 - 12:36 AM, said:

I agree with you FB. Hinman seemed to represent the most genuine and idealistic side of the hippie movement. As for Frykowski, I find this brief portrait from Polanski's autobiography interesting:


"The myth of Wojtek the big-time drug dealer stemmed largely from a report that he'd had dealings with known pushers. Sometime in April [1969], Sharon and I had given a big party. Gate-crashers turned up, as they often did at Hollywood parties. Three of them became obstreperous and were ejected with Wojtek's help. One of the trio, who knew him, swore to get even. All three turned out to be small-time pushers, and it was this incident that gave rise to the drug connections theory. The whereabouts of all three men were carefully checked, but all had cast-iron alibis for the night of the murders" (Roman, 1985 ed., p 297).

Interesting...when you are gone from this board and this case for a long time and you come back and reread the material, reports, testimony etc.
you reacquaint yourself with some thoughts you never had before.

IF Gary Hinman had being manufacturing drugs he probably gave them away and it was long in the past before he became entrenched into Buddhism.
However, there is not one iota of information that says he was in the early accounts and transcripts - rather they mention an inheritance which may or may not have been 20,000.

Charlie might have thought it was 20 large, but that sort of figure could have greatly exaggerated throughout the hippy community (which Charlie was not a member of).

Seems like he financed a trip for many to go on a Japanese ashram sort of place, not just himself to study Buddhist practices.

The early accounts mention he was found with a rosary...possibly the police didn't know it was Buddhist or Krishna 'worry beads'.

Now to Romans's statement. I've read his book but the thought hit me that it might have been Pic and/or Billy Doyle who pushed/paid Charlie/Tex into
killing Voytek - they were certainly nervous, more nervous than mad about being suspect. Perhaps they thought of themselves as a sort of mafia gang and paid to have Voytek and Abigail learn a lesson.

They might have considered themselves BAD dudes, in Cass's bio it was rumored with a sort of bizarre respect that Billy Doyle MAY have killed a man.

Then unfortunately they could in way beyond their heads. Charlie needed money for his desert 'vacation' and the macabre CAPER fit into his ridiculous Helter Skelter rap.

Flora I love your grandmother's homily. But think of this Charlie would be able to 'kill two birds at the same time'.

[Bottledbrunette09]

I don't understand, unless Frykowski practically slept in the yard, how he could of been at the Cielo house 24/7. The Polanskis probably lived there a total of maybe three weeks, I'd have to check a calendar to make sure, but they moved into the house in February, and both of them left a few weeks later in March. Roman makes it sound like they lived in the house for a long period of time when his friends were complaining about Frykowski sunning himself by the pool with a glass of wine in his hands all the time. Then, of course, he and Abigail lived there for the months afterwards, so I guess I don't understand why Roman said his friends were bothered by Frykowski acting like it was his home when the Polanskis weren't there but for a very short time and he couldn't of been there all the time visiting.

[jempud]

Anna Marie, on 30 July 2010 - 03:00 PM, said:

hinman messed up on wilson's dope. it was one mistake, but enough to get him killed.

What does this mean? Hinman was killed because (Dennis?) Wilson was unhappy with dope Hinman provided?

Some sources and a little more rationale would be appreciated...

Jem

[courtney]

Bottledbrunette09, on 29 August 2010 - 01:22 AM, said:

I don't understand, unless Frykowski practically slept in the yard, how he could of been at the Cielo house 24/7. The Polanskis probably lived there a total of maybe three weeks, I'd have to check a calendar to make sure, but they moved into the house in February, and both of them left a few weeks later in March. Roman makes it sound like they lived in the house for a long period of time when his friends were complaining about Frykowski sunning himself by the pool with a glass of wine in his hands all the time. Then, of course, he and Abigail lived there for the months afterwards, so I guess I don't understand why Roman said his friends were bothered by Frykowski acting like it was his home when the Polanskis weren't there but for a very short time and he couldn't of been there all the time visiting.

Maybe Roman was including their time in LA collectively...didn't they live in the Marmont and Patty Duke's Summit Ridge home? Seems like Roman wanted to buy Patty Duke's home but they could never come to an agreement about price.


Anne Marie - you don't have to name names but most of us don't think that Gary Hinman was a dope dealer - (maybe to his friends). However several books say Hinman met Manson at Wilson's house. I can't imagine what they would have in common.

And, of course it stands to reason that Bobby and Hinman might have had a little tete et tete. That seems to be his payment in rent. (Kenneth Anger - gross).

I read on here in the Brunner testimony that she lit a cigerette to allow BB to know Gary was home. That makes me think that he and Gary had a big 'falling out'. BB wasn't called Bummer because it fit his initials. But it's more than that - you get a sense from her comments (Brunner) that Gary was afraid of BB.

[Bottledbrunette09]

mahlerfan, on 29 July 2010 - 11:53 PM, said:

Apologies, Dill. Would it lessen the blow if I referred to my younger self as "little m*therf*cker"?

Geez, Mahler, you're killing me, here!!!

[Bottledbrunette09]

courtney, on 29 August 2010 - 10:54 AM, said:

Maybe Roman was including their time in LA collectively...didn't they live in the Marmont and Patty Duke's Summit Ridge home? Seems like Roman wanted to buy Patty Duke's home but they could never come to an agreement about price.


Anne Marie - you don't have to name names but most of us don't think that Gary Hinman was a dope dealer - (maybe to his friends). However several books say Hinman met Manson at Wilson's house. I can't imagine what they would have in common.

And, of course it stands to reason that Bobby and Hinman might have had a little tete et tete. That seems to be his payment in rent. (Kenneth Anger - gross).

I read on here in the Brunner testimony that she lit a cigerette to allow BB to know Gary was home. That makes me think that he and Gary had a big 'falling out'. BB wasn't called Bummer because it fit his initials. But it's more than that - you get a sense from her comments (Brunner) that Gary was afraid of BB.

Hey, thanks, Courtney, that puts the comment Roman made about Voytek in a new light. Didn't think about the other houses they were renting, I just got the impression that it was the Cielo house. That puts it in a new light.