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[jollywest]

The murder of Jane Doe #59 still remains unsolved.

[catscradle77]

it would be interesting to compare this sketch to all the mugshots of people and to see if it is possible to ID Jane Doe #59.

[Butlerdidit]

Wow-thanks jollywest. I have never seen that before.

[ThorTate]

I read about this case before,the jane doe sounded familiar.


Im also sure her profile is still being desplayed today on the Californian County Coroners web site,i think !

The destinctive thing about her is her height.

She is around five feet nine-five feet ten.
Thats five inches over the national average for a woman,so she was not average,she would have stood out,a lot.
She was even taller than the male national average hight of five feet nine.

Wearing boots or heals would make her around five feet eleven.

What i remember about this was that a name to the victim was put foward and it checked out.
After that they had nothing else.it was hard enough finding one tall women,but to have two tall women around that nobboy knew of was just to much of a coincidence and police felt that the tall woman who had been identifiyed was one of the same,and that their jane doe was not local and not the tall woman everyone else had seen or known.
It was a good lead and possibly the only and best one they had.

And to this day no one has put a name to her.

[emzywemzywoo]

Ok think I may have cracked this one!!  On the Charliemanons.com website a  Laura Anne Sheppard is listed as being 5`8 and using the alias "Sherry".  Ruby Pearl remembers seeing Jane Doe  59 at the ranch and knew her as "Sherry".  What's also interesting is on the Mansonfamily. today site Laura is also listed with a paragrpah about how the Santa Barbara Cold Case Unit is looking for information on her and no-one has been able to track her down!!!! 

Any opinions on this??!! xxxx

[emzywemzywoo]

The picture shown on Charliemanson.com does look very similar to the police sketch x

[emzywemzywoo]

Oh no now you've burst my bubble!! Your probably right if it is the same girl I'm sure the police would have picked it up by now!!  Never mind back to the drawing board!!

[Baydo28]

Where's the picture you put up?

[courtney]

They can do mitochondrial DNA and can type for ethniticity - I just got back from the CA Pound Insitute at the University of Florida which is a part of the Museum of Natural History -

If Jane Doe is British they can type it - they's especailly had good results with British marking patterns.

This is a little bit about the famous Dr. William Maples - who did the forensic work on the Tzar, the victims of Danny Rolling, the "Elephant Man"

The CA Pound Insitute is the world  leader in grant funded DNA forensic science ventures.


 


William R. Maples
1937 - 1997

William R. Maples

This center is named for Dr. William R. Maples, a pioneer in the field of Forensic Anthropology and Distinguished Service Professor at the University of Florida.

Born in Dallas, Texas on August 7, 1937, William R. Maples developed an early interest in human identification and medico-legal issues. He received his Master's Degree in 1962, and was chosen to serve as manager of the Darajani Primate Research Station in Kenya. He initiated studies in Africa toward his doctoral degree which he received from the University of Texas in 1967.

Dr. Maples began his teaching career at Western Michigan University. In 1968, he joined the faculty of the University of Florida where he eventually rose to the rank of Distinguished Service Professor. Maples served as chair of the Anthropology Department in 1973, and in 1978 was named Curator of Physical Anthropology at the Florida State Museum (The Florida Museum of Natural History). During the 1970's, Dr. Maples began consulting with Florida's medical examiners, bringing his expertise in the identification of age, race, sex, stature, and cause of death to crime and accident investigations. Dr. Maples developed a relationship with the U.S. Army Central Identification Laboratory providing oversight, expertise and consultation involving military personnel missing or killed in action during the Second World War, Korean War and Vietnam conflict. Maples provided expert opinion and Congressional testimony which helped shape the reformation and professional mission of that laboratory.

"They have tales to tell us, even though they are dead. It is up to me ... to catch their mute cries and whispers, and to interpret them for the living, as long as I am able."

Dead Men Do Tell Tales, W. R. Maples and M. Browning, Doubleday, 1994

Maples brought compassion and scientific rigor to the more than 1,200 cases with which he was involved during his twenty-eight year career. A pioneer in the field of forensic anthropology, Maples was nationally and internationally respected for his analysis of human skeletal material. He participated in a number of current and historical high profile investigations including President Zachary Taylor, Medgar Evers, Francisco Pizzaro, and The Elephant Man - Joseph Merrick. In 1992, Maples supervised a team of forensic scientists that identified the remains of the last Russian monarch, Czar Nicholas II, and his family, who were killed by revolutionaries in 1918. Maples was internationally renowned, but was also involved locally and assisted with many investigations including the 1990 Gainesville student murders.

Though diagnosed with brain cancer in 1995, Dr. Maples continued working for the next two years. During his final year, Maples assisted medical examiners in Dade County identifying victims of the ValuJet airline disaster in the Everglades.


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[courtney]

Sorry - I might have posted in the wrong place - I'm interested in the girl in Lompec - can you move the post below?

[catscradle77]

Court-wrong Jane Doe--this is Jane Doe #59..

The Jane Doe in Lompoc can be found under Bobby Beausoleil's board.

[courtney]

Can you move it for me then -

However, who in the world is this Jane Doe, Cats?  I've never heard of her -

It seems like there were many stabbing of young, attractive, hippie looking girls of basically the same age bracket - what gives with this poor girl - any idea?

[moutaindigit]

Courtney,

  I don't know..... Some of the wild tales you have been telling on yourself lately, its lucky that we aren't calling you Jane Doe!!!  Then we would be talking about you here!  Although, it wouldn't be as fun with as one of our subjects!!!! :D

[moutaindigit]

The last line should say:

Although, it wouldn't be as much fun with you as one of our subjects!!!!! :D



I got "trigger happy!"

[courtney]

I knew I should have joined a 12 step program - definately did't need to blab all of my secrets - you are reading this from a person who goes back into the store and hands back some one who has given me more change - so go figure.

I fought with Visa about an identity theft thing when they took too much off my account - I know, but I am always one for karma and it takes a lot of returning overchange to balance out those two - whew -

The worst thing is friend Cats, has taken away the modify button so it's like there for everyone to see my tales of nincompoopdom -

What if my kid ever read that - and they've grown up in a household with some strange friends - mostly my gay male friends in theatre, old rockers, and even my straight arrow husband rides with a bunch of now Christian heavy metal types including his friend from Black Sabbath.

But they think I'm as 'pure as the driven snow' they just don't know how much went up my nose over the years.

Youngest son just got back from New York with his wife and my GRANDDAUGHTER - and he said -
"Mom,  you are so silly, but you have the sweetest face in the whole wortd."  and he didn't even ask to borrow money. 

No more, I promise you Coroner, no more that is enough from me - I should have been dragged away with a hook several threads ago.

[BamaGal]

Nincompoopdom, Court?  LOL!  Thank you for making me spit Dr. Pepper all over my screen!  ;D

[catscradle77]

The modify button is gone until a certain number of posts are made.

Just as we had the random deletor, there was also the random modifier who was going into others posts and modifying them to suit their own arguement but trying to pull it off as if the person actual said what they did not.

Post number, I am not sure, what it is to get it back but I shall check.

I would rather have this safe guard in place than to take that chance of someone altering someone else's words.