His age is wrong too. If he was born in Dec. of 1936, he would've been 32, not 33. He died a few months before his 33rd birthday.
[quote author=Coroner In Law link=topic=3591.msg29278#msg29278 date=1231444742] No mention of gunshot wounds?? Weren't they part of the cause of death?? [/quote] I wondered about that too. I have to assume that they only listed the actual cause of death, because you could also add blunt force trauma from all the blows to the head from the gun butt. He was stabbed 51 times wasn't he? I think that would cause massive hemmorage. You're the closest thing we have to a coroner, are all injuries listed in cause of death?
[quote author=whitehorses link=topic=3591.msg29286#msg29286 date=1231456761] [quote author=Coroner In Law link=topic=3591.msg29278#msg29278 date=1231444742] No mention of gunshot wounds?? Weren't they part of the cause of death?? [/quote] I wondered about that too. I have to assume that they only listed the actual cause of death, because you could also add blunt force trauma from all the blows to the head from the gun butt. [/quote] Then they should list exsanguination, right?
Who knows?! ??? That was listed as Jay's cause of death, but if you look at his death certificate, it doesn't mention that he was shot, only the stab wounds. Maybe they only listed the things that were fatal wounds? ???
[quote author=Georgiapeach link=topic=3591.msg29288#msg29288 date=1231460177] Who knows?! ??? That was listed as Jay's cause of death, but if you look at his death certificate, it doesn't mention that he was shot, only the stab wounds. Maybe they only listed the things that were fatal wounds? ??? [/quote] Supposedly the gunshot that entered Sebring's armpit was fatal!
[quote author=Coroner In Law link=topic=3591.msg29287#msg29287 date=1231457008] [quote author=whitehorses link=topic=3591.msg29286#msg29286 date=1231456761] [quote author=Coroner In Law link=topic=3591.msg29278#msg29278 date=1231444742] No mention of gunshot wounds?? Weren't they part of the cause of death?? [/quote] I wondered about that too. I have to assume that they only listed the actual cause of death, because you could also add blunt force trauma from all the blows to the head from the gun butt. [/quote] Then they should list exsanguination, right? [/quote] That's what they put for Sebring. If you look at this definition, it seems to mean the same thing. Class IV Hemorrhage involves loss of >40% of circulating blood volume. The limit of the body's compensation is reached and aggressive resuscitation is required to prevent death. I don't claim to be a medical expert. Maybe one person's "massive hemmorrhage" is another's "exsanguination." ???
[quote author=whitehorses link=topic=3591.msg29291#msg29291 date=1231469054] [quote author=Coroner In Law link=topic=3591.msg29287#msg29287 date=1231457008] [quote author=whitehorses link=topic=3591.msg29286#msg29286 date=1231456761] [quote author=Coroner In Law link=topic=3591.msg29278#msg29278 date=1231444742] No mention of gunshot wounds?? Weren't they part of the cause of death?? [/quote] I wondered about that too. I have to assume that they only listed the actual cause of death, because you could also add blunt force trauma from all the blows to the head from the gun butt. [/quote] Then they should list exsanguination, right? [/quote] That's what they put for Sebring. If you look at this definition, it seems to mean the same thing. Class IV Hemorrhage involves loss of >40% of circulating blood volume. The limit of the body's compensation is reached and aggressive resuscitation is required to prevent death. I don't claim to be a medical expert. Maybe one person's "massive hemmorrhage" is another's "exsanguination." ??? [/quote] Exsanguination is total blood loss. The body is drained. Minimal lividity. In this case, it could be the result of the body being moved after death. Thus allowing blood to escape that might otherwise have pooled within the body.
I know, but if you look, it's pretty close. In this case, they're both going to have the result as death.
[quote author=whitehorses link=topic=3591.msg29294#msg29294 date=1231472040] I know, but if you look, it's pretty close. In this case, they're both going to have the result as death. [/quote] OH Yes! Deader than the proverbial doornail. But the total loss of blood in the case of Sharon Tate and Sebring was created by moving the bodies postmortem. So it wasn't actually the cause of death but a by product of.
[quote author=Coroner In Law link=topic=3591.msg29289#msg29289 date=1231464588] [quote author=Georgiapeach link=topic=3591.msg29288#msg29288 date=1231460177] Who knows?! ??? That was listed as Jay's cause of death, but if you look at his death certificate, it doesn't mention that he was shot, only the stab wounds. Maybe they only listed the things that were fatal wounds? ??? [/quote] Supposedly the gunshot that entered Sebring's armpit was fatal! [/quote]I'd heard that too, that's why I was puzzled that it wasn't mentioned on his death certificate. ???
I noticed that all of the death certificates say that they're page 1 of 2. Is page 2 available for all of them?
[quote author=Georgiapeach link=topic=3591.msg29310#msg29310 date=1231531614] [quote author=Coroner In Law link=topic=3591.msg29289#msg29289 date=1231464588] [quote author=Georgiapeach link=topic=3591.msg29288#msg29288 date=1231460177] Who knows?! ??? That was listed as Jay's cause of death, but if you look at his death certificate, it doesn't mention that he was shot, only the stab wounds. Maybe they only listed the things that were fatal wounds? ??? [/quote] Supposedly the gunshot that entered Sebring's armpit was fatal! [/quote]I'd heard that too, that's why I was puzzled that it wasn't mentioned on his death certificate. ??? [/quote] The LA Co. M.E. Office seems to have have some questions about what to put in that space : The stabbings, bludgeonings and shootings all could have caused death. In some cases, like Sharon Tate, a knife wound in the chest did so much damage that it was the cause but others bled to death for lack of medical attention. So U get to choose!
[quote author=Georgiapeach link=topic=3591.msg29311#msg29311 date=1231531793] I noticed that all of the death certificates say that they're page 1 of 2. Is page 2 available for all of them? [/quote] If it is, I don't have them. Wish I did Georgiapeach, but I don't. Sorry. :-[
[quote author=Georgiapeach link=topic=3591.msg29338#msg29338 date=1231624639] That's ok, Whitehorses, I appreciated reading what you did have! Thanks for posting it. [/quote] You're very welcome! I'll try to find the rest of them. ;D
