The Book of Revelation (Chapter 9) and the Ideology of Charles Manson

The Book of Revelation (Chapter 9) and the Ideology of Charles Manson

Don't get me wrong I don't believe in all of this, I just find it very very interesting.

Ah, the law of the confirming instance! But no one ever stops to think how many non-parallels there are.

If you want to be entertained read http://skeptically.org/skepticism/id15.html where there's a hilarious debunk of these theories by Martin Gardner, taken from "The Great Pyramid",  Chapter 13 in Gardner M (1957) FADS & FALLACIES, In the name of science Dover Publications, NY, p. 173-185.

Jem

Manson has an 'ideology'???? Really

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Manson has an 'ideology'???? Really
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Laughing~ This was my question too?!!!
Jamie

to find it interesting that's all.

dvs172

No effort to put down what you posted. It is interesting and I'm glad that you posted it. It was just the term 'ideology' that was used. Do you think that he CM was kind of 'copying' this?

From what I have read, he copied from just about every religion. It is very interesting how he did that, spinning them all into one big rap.
Jamie

Sounds like him

He  possibly used the charm of the Beatles to accomplish "helter skelter"

paul is dead - the rotten apple 7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWFBloufZSU

The Manson/Tate murders are shown through out the rotten apple series.

It's been rumored that in the Summer of 1968, McCartney & Manson meet at a party in Beach BoyBrian Wilsons house in Los Angeles, California. 6 months before the White Album release." - don't know if this is true, doubt it, but it is possible

"In August, 69 While the Police were doing investigation at the Manson Family's Spahn Ranch a photo was taken of the door that has 1234567 all good children go to heaven & Helter Skelter on it"  The song with those lyrics "all good children go to heaven" was released on the Abbey Road Album in September 1969. But yet it's claimed the picture of the door was taken in August of 69, strange because Abbey Road was released Late September 69.

Sorry folks, I'm having a hard time getting out what I'm tryin to say.
It's all explained better in the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWFBloufZSU

paul is dead - the rotten apple 25
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XDXh-f-RH0&feature=related

Another 'Rotten Apple' video related to Manson. McCartney surprisingly talks about Manson towards the end of this video.
The Rotten Apple series gives out bits and pieces of info in  sort of cryptic way.  Myself along with many others think it's Paul McCartney  making these videos, keeping the beatle myth alive.
whoever it is they have lots of different youtube accounts.


                                      iamaphoney
                  His channel houses the rotten apple series.
                              Here's the link to his channel
                  http://www.youtube.com/user/iamaphoney

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It's been rumored that in the Summer of 1968, McCartney & Manson meet at a party in Beach BoyBrian Wilsons house in Los Angeles, California. 6 months before the White Album release." - don't know if this is true, doubt it, but it is possible

"In August, 69 While the Police were doing investigation at the Manson Family's Spahn Ranch a photo was taken of the door that has 1234567 all good children go to heaven & Helter Skelter on it"  The song with those lyrics "all good children go to heaven" was released on the Abbey Road Album in September 1969. But yet it's claimed the picture of the door was taken in August of 69, strange because Abbey Road was released Late September 69.

Sorry folks, I'm having a hard time getting out what I'm tryin to say.
It's all explained better in the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWFBloufZSU

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There is an interview I have seen with the Beatles and they commented that when they were in California they stayed at Doris Day's house. Really makes me wonder if Manson did get to meet one or more of the Beatles.

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The song with those lyrics "all good children go to heaven" was released on the Abbey Road Album in September 1969. But yet it's claimed the picture of the door was taken in August of 69, strange because Abbey Road was released Late September 69.

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It's an old counting song I remember from the school play ground - the kind used to eliminate someone.

The words are something like:

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7,
All good children go to heaven.
Penny on the water, tuppence on the sea,
Threepence on the railway, out goes she.

dunno whether it was known in the States but that's probably where the Beatles got it.

Jem

aIIofthemwitches..... Talk about a cryptic user on youtube.  I do not know if he is very delusional or just maybe sensitive to the fact. One thing 4 sure, he's worked hard on his videos. I don't think this is the same user as iamaphony.

An Introduction
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loz_fq3PJe4&feature=channel

E.A.C.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRbwi4qpb2o&feature=channel

Romek
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYSmHlMeHlM&feature=channel_page

10050 Cielo Drive
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQd6GxkUeuc&feature=channel_page

1 W 72nd Street
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej17OOFyV6g&feature=channel

True....
but with all of the other Beatle lyrics they wrote, sometimes in blood, it's hard to imagine they took the lyrics from the old traditional song.  In one of Micheals BACKPORCH videos, there is something mentioned about it. I believe it's in Manson's handwriting too.  My guess is the door was faked by the DA for evidence or It was written on the door soon after Abbey Road came out, which doesn't add up. Or Like Cats said some one  got an advanced copy of Abbey Road which would be close to impossible to obtain especially  in the USA, it would be much easier to obtain in the UK. 

Something else that's  very ironic, the cover of Abbey Road was shot on Aug. 9 1969.
Here's a link to a site that talks about the photo shoot and other weird happenings
http://www.dennismansfield.com/business/2009/08/it-was-40-years-ago-today-sgt-pepper-taught-the-band-to-playpaul-is-dead.html

Hope Everything's alright with everyone
P E A C E
DVS

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True....
but with all of the other Beatle lyrics they wrote, sometimes in blood, it's hard to imagine they took the lyrics from the old traditional song.  In one of Micheals BACKPORCH videos, there is something mentioned about it. I believe it's in Manson's handwriting too.  My guess is the door was faked by the DA for evidence or It was written on the door soon after Abbey Road came out, which doesn't add up. Or Like Cats said some one  got an advanced copy of Abbey Road which would be close to impossible to obtain especially  in the USA, it would be much easier to obtain in the UK. 

Something else that's  very ironic, the cover of Abbey Road was shot on Aug. 9 1969.
Here's a link to a site that talks about the photo shoot and other weird happenings
http://www.dennismansfield.com/business/2009/08/it-was-40-years-ago-today-sgt-pepper-taught-the-band-to-playpaul-is-dead.html

Hope Everything's alright with everyone
P E A C E
DVS



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Anyone know if any of the family members have ever been asked about this door?

What is the source of the quote saying the door was photographed in August 1969?

Found this on a Beatles site linked on another thread. It says the door was found/obtained in November, which is well after the album was released:

"On 25 November police raided the Spahn Ranch used as a base by the Family. They confiscated a door on which was written "Helter Skelter is coming down fast", and the words "1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, all good children (go to heaven?)" - the latter words are heard in You Never Give Me Your Money."

I am unaware of any raids of Spahn Ranch in August. The door was obtained on Nov. 25 also according to the timeline on this site:

http://www.charliemanson.com/timeline-1969.htm

I can't imagine the police showing up and sneaking around Spahn at that time taking photos of doors. The Family wasn't suspected at this time. Susan Atkins didn't spill the beans to her cellmates until November.

Help me figure how this supposedly came to the police's attention in August. I suspect someone got their dates seriously mixed up.