Wow, an appeal could cause a delay of sentence imposition for five years? Only in the good ol'days......
I read a book on the death penalty awhile back and it seems that in the good old days (30's -50's) the average inmate was finished with appeals and dispatched within a year of sentencing. Why it takes 10,15 or 20 years to complete appeals now is mind boggling to me. Do you think it's because the judges are trying to be politically correct? Or are they just slow readers with learning disabilities? FB I'm not knocking people with learning disabilities, I have one myself involving math. . . . .
Pardon my cnyncism towards things, but the defense of DR Inmates has become a cottage industry that involves quite a bit of money. IMO, the delays are a result of multiple contributors, political correctness not being one of them. We have experienced in increase in challenges that lack merit, but must be heard. We have had an increase in defense challenges reqarding what "cruel and unusual" is. We have had political input, from both sides, come down from the bench which espouse personal feelings rather than law, which only cause delay later on. You also have a lack of qualified attorneys that can suffieciently handle DR appeals. The lack of such representation only leads to more delays later on when the DR Inmate can claim that he lacked proper representation. Does this mean that we need to pay more for representation? No, it means we must redefine our definition of adequate representation. As has been said by even Supreme Court Justices, inmates are not guaranteed the best attorney's, only competent ones. I paraphrase of course, but it is fairly accurate.
It is amazing to me the number of times Manson violated his original parole with numerous arrests before the murders. and never was revoked. I know people who are revoked for ONE failed urine test. Why did they even give bother putting him on probation over and over ?
in some circle's it is believed manson was purposely left on the streets because the lapd and sheriff departments believed he was going to start attacking black panthers. if this is true manson and the family were being watched and the police were aware they were going to the tate and labianca houses at the least and may have known the murders were being committed on the other end and did nothing to stop them.
Hi all of you! Have been unable to use keyboard successfully until physical therapy and yoga have restored dexterity to my fingers! But I've been keeping up you guys now and then... Anyhow, I don;t think so Beau, I think they were being watched but being watched doesn't mean they had 24/7 surveillance. They (Law Enforcement LA) were too much akin to power struggles, poor communication etc. Remember it took the cowboys around Barkers to finally "take them in" for good - It seems the LAPD has always suffered with political hubris and unfortunately it made them look like the Keystone cops in this case as well as other high profile cases to come (OJ etc). I'm putting you around my age Beau - (sorry if I've made a mistake) and back then we ALWAYS THOUGHT WE WERE BEING WATCHED! Could have been the drugs were did, the politics we practiced or I youthful importance of our status in the world - but in reality most arrests come visa mistakes on the effort of the perp - ie 'an inmate escapes gets away with it and is picked up a month later in a town far away for a traffic ticket'. I agree that LAPD were probably aware that Voy was selling and using drugs and a plethora of people getting them from and for him - but I don't agree that the information they had was so advanced that they knew about the coming murders and did nothing about them - these type of murders were even too 'unthinkable therefore undo-able' even to the most hardened Love to everyone, Court
i'm 46 born in 1964. i wasn't stating i believe this but that it is a theory. look up preston guillary a former sheriff officer who participated in the spahn raid august 16, 1969. he is the one who said they were told to leave manson on the streets because they believed manson was going to attack the black panthers. it appears that the police knew about the shooting of losapappa and like manson they thought lotsapappa was a black panther and that he was killed. guillory gave these interviews to mae brussell and paul krassner and are available online.
Good to see you/hear from you, Courtney. As an ageing arthritic I do sympathise with the fingers thing. I never know when I get up in the morning what I'm going to be able to do that day with my hands. Sometimes I'm find within an hour or so, and sometimes I can't even hold a coffee cup. Anyway, good that you sound cheerful. Jem
Would this be the first anniversary of the murders that Susan spent in the great beyond perhaps meeting up with the victims? (My memory is lagging about the date of her demise)
