humanizing Sadie...hmmm....well, I can say this about her, if she was legit in her attempts to turn her life around, she did more good inside the joint than she ever did outside....by a huge margin
sad isnt it. they go to jail, get all the comforts they want (many handed to them) and we pay for most of it.
Very nice comment. My impression was always that she was more sincere in her remorse than the others (notwithstanding all the self-serving statements in "The Myth of Helter Skelter" story on her website, which I attribute to her husband).
Thanks Dimitri. I don't know. For some reason, her life story makes me sad. (and once again I am not excusing her behavior. But I have tried to hate her, and yet end up at the sadness that I feel for her life). Back during the trial, her own father said that she needed help etc. and that he wishes they would have kept her locked up instead of going easy on her in the past. Could that have helped her? I dont know.
the age old arguement of nature vs nurture. With regards to murderers, i tend to think you can have both. i think some are nurtured to kill, while a smaller percentage are born to it. with Sadie, i tend to give her the benefit of the doubt and call it nurture, as i do for the other girls and even bobby. i think tex was nature, and i am on the fence with clem
After reading "The Myth " I think the motive Sadie comes up with is more plausible than H.S. The whole snowball effect that started with C. shooting Crowe makes more sense to me.....not withstanding all the self-serving crap she added
It does seem to make more sense, although I suspect the motive may have varied among the different Family members. What I find particularly incredulous are the statements that her post-murder behavior was motivated by concern over the welfare of her child. She seemed to enjoy all of her antics way too much, and I doubt she was that good an actress. I think I do understand what Cats is saying, though. Susan was always the most interesting Family member to me and the one I would have most liked to get to know, to try to figure out what made her tick.
susan had the ability to change much like manson. She could come across little girl, the devil, the nutbar, the villian, the victim all in the span of a short period of time. No other member of the killing crew, except old creepy himself, ever got as much attention as she did, during parole boards and other publicly noted events
CLINICAL. A CASE OF INSANITY APPARENTLY DUE TO PELVIC ABSCESS, AND CURED BY SURGI- CAL TREATMENT. In this case, recorded by C.M. Hay, M.D. ("Med. Record." Nov.18, 1890), an elaborately systematized single delusion, which, prior to operation was firmly fixed, after it, slowly faded and finally disappeared. The delusional belief arose gradually during the invasion of her pelvic trouble, and was attended by other evidences of insanity. The abscess itself could only be attributed to an indefinite traumatism received a short time prior to her illness. Coin- cidentally with its development, mental symptoms appeared which at first were mental confusion, with stupor and apathy, and a condition of semidementia, with a few maniacal out- breaks. In two weeks these symptoms passed away, leav- ing her dull and depressed, and with a few simple delusions. One of these delusions developed and became thoroughly systemized and fixed, while the others faded away, so that at the time of operation she was practically sane, with the exception of this single delusion (viz., that her physician was Jesus Christ). From the character of this delusion and the positive manner in which she reasoned to prove its real- ity, chronic mental degeneration was feared, but after two months, general improvement came on and terminated in complete mental and physical recovery. A.F.
I actually feel some sort of respect for Susan now that she has passed. I had none for her when she was alive. The only difference is because she is the only one that has truly paid for the murders as she spent the rest of her life in prison.
Certainly out of left field Roger... and funny. Could instigate a wholesale rewriting of the mythology... I can see documentary film-makers worldwide taking blue pencils to their scripts: "Manson and his syphilis-crazed minions..." It's certainly claimed the sanity of several egomaniacal violent notables; Nietzche, Al Capone, Idi Amin, Henry Vlll... Susan Atkins?