Discussion in 'Photos of Steven Parent' started by mansonmurders, Jul 28, 2011.
Here is a pic of Steven Parent on the slab, as they say...
Never have seen that one. Do you have any of the car shots other than what is out there ? Perhaps from different angles? There has been much discussion about his position in the car.
Also, what do you make of the hand wound? Who do you think inflicted it and then what about the trajectory of the bullets?
Great find! I hate to be morbid but seeing the crime scene photos and autopsy pictures helps to get a better understanding of the evidence. I've never seen this picture before.
How coincidental, because I just came across an identical morgue shot of Jay Sebring yesterday.
I did a google search for Jay Sebring, clicked on images, scrolled down a ways, and there it was. If you don't find it, I'm sure I can find the exact location in the history on my computer at home so I can send you the exact link later if need be. There were three or four additional pictures with that one of which only one I've seen before.
Okay thanks. I believe that photo is one that is compared to Clyde Barrow or something. I had seen the Jay before but never the Steven...thanks for the heads up though .
Never seen this before. Amazing that "new " stuff is turning up after all these years. Gets me kinda hopeful that there is more out there!
I have hope there is as well. I always thought there should be more stuff, and I believe in another thread Bob states that there is, but it isn't for public viewing.
The arm is wounded terribly in this, yet none of the killers say anything about stabbing him, or no one remembers who did?On the hand across his body, the one finger is blurred or something? Is this the watch hand? And if so, is part of his finger perhaps missing?
I believe much of the blood on his arm is from dripping blood. On the other hand (sorry), the sharp-force injury is the very deep slash across his left hand, which severed the tendon as well as the band of his "Timex" watch. As "Tex" pointed the Buntline .22 at Parent's face, Parent threw his hands up to his face in a defensive motion.
When did the slash occur then? Tex would have had to have a knife in one hand, and a gun in the other...why chose to slash at that point and then to shoot? (I know, trying to figure out the thinking of a killer is hard to do, if there was thought at that point...)
Are there any shots of Parents car, from the passenger side with either the door open or window down? I have been seeking shots of this for years...sigh.
I was thinking about the arm slash today because last night I watched a video called "Six Degrees of Helter Skelter," and it was mentioned how the cut was to the bone. So this is no little scratch we're talking about, this is a deep gash. I started wondering how you could get a cut that deep just by slashing at someone? Because the natural response would be to pull back which would prevent the knife from cutting that deep, but if the arm was stationary, it would be much more solid and easier to cut deep. Of course, I'm no knife expert by any means and I'm sure a super sharp knife could cut very deep under a lot of different circumstances. But could it be possible that the knife slash was a result of Parent reaching out and grabbing the gun or Watson's hand? In doing so his hand would have been stationary because he had a grip on something, and Watson slashed his arm to free his gun which led to Parent letting go and Watson then firing the shots.
I'm pretty new around here so I don't know if anyone has ever mentioned this before, but I have never seen anyone mention it so I thought I'd throw the thought out there. That would make more sense that slashing someone after shooting them or slashing and shooting at the same time.
If one grabbed a knife like that, wouldnt there be a slash on the palm? Not on the top of the hand?
And that leads me back to the "great knife count". Linda had one outside, Susan lost hers in the couch and Pat had one. Linda testified that there was only three knives.....but according to her testimony, the sword ended up in two pieces the next day when she saw it.
Did Tex have the sword, and if so, why doesnt anyone remember him carrying it, or at least place it in his hands at some point...
But great thoughts, and indeed it does make more sense.
The right side of his face and head appear to lack trauma, disfigurement, or exit wound. His autopsy states that he sustained a gunshot wound to the left cheek, the bullet grazing the top of his tongue.
This wound to his face/cheek was not fatal.
Again, not trying to deconstruct the dominant narrative about what happened at Cielo Dr. that night, but I remain skeptical that all of his wounds occurred in his vehicle.
Purely speculation, but he could have been shot elsewhere (inside the home) or by the carport before trying to hightail it out of there in his car.
No, I'm thinking of him grabbing the gun and the knife coming down on the backside of the hand to get him to release his grip on the gun. He gets cut, lets go and then the shots come.
According to the autopsy of Steven Parent (found here), there were no 'incised wounds' on the backside of his hand. The knife wound or incised wound occurred on the 'palmar' surface, 3" long, and fairly deep, on the left palm.
Are you suggesting that there was a knife wound on the back of the hand? Please clarify.
No, I'm just an idiot. When looking at the autopsy diagram, I thought for some reason that the cut was on the top of the hand, but now looking at it again if the diagram was referring to the top of the hand the thumbs would be on the other side...sorry.
That all being said, maybe he grabbed the knife?? I still wonder if he made a grab for something which resulted in the cut.
I tend to buy MM's theory that the slashing occurred when Parent was attempting to defend himself from that gun pointing in his face. Also the amount of blood in his lap would indicate that he had been in that position for quite some time. I have questioned the details of Parent's murder but this shot more or less backs up the version as told by our killers.