Question for those who believe Cielo drug motive

A lot of people on this forum have put forth ideas that there was some kind of drug steal motive behind the killings at the 'Tate' house.

Probably missing something, but the only evidence I've seen is that people in the house and people who had been associated with those at the house had ties to using and, possibly, selling drugs.

So to those I ask: do you believe ...

1) That the Manson killers recovered said drugs and made off with them?

2) That they failed to find the drugs they were looking for because those drugs were no longer at the house?

3) That the police recovered the drugs that the Manson killers didn't find, and just neglected to put it in the police report?

4) That the drugs were so well hidden neither the Manson killers nor the police found them?

5) That they only believed there was a stash there and it turned out they had bad intel?

6) Some other outcome not covered by 1-5?

Saintpat

#5 or #2

FB

I dunno, Mike, but I can tell you this and it's absolutely true:

I took a weekend trip for business last month. The suitcase is still on the floor in my room. I emptied most of the stuff but there's still a T-shirt and probably a pair of socks in it that I never wore.

Until I zipped it up -- probably a week after I got back -- you would have seen part of the shirt hanging out the side.

Why?

Not because I'm a drug lord. Because I'm a slob.

It is more reasonable to assume, to me, that the trunks arrived and some of the stuff was put away and then company drops in and, well, are you going to make them sit around and say 'Sorry, but it's urgent that I put all this stuff away. Hate to be rude, but if someone comes and kills us all I want it to be all packed neatly away.' Or do you say to yourself, 'Oh well, no hurry -- Roman's away and I'm pregnant and tire easily and I'll finish with it later.'

Tell me it couldn't happen like that. Tell me it's more reasonable to assume that there was 1000 kilos of prime smack that a director and his actress wife smuggled in from overseas.

Really? I mean really?

I never heard (or possibly forgot) that the trunks were empty. Maybe Chapman partially emptied them and came to the end of her shift and had to catch the bus. Or, emptied them and left them for someone larger and stronger to put them away. We don't know where they kept them when not in use, could be the garage or that apartment above the garage.She was a small lady and I think it would have been hard for her to handle large steamer trunks. I know it would be hard for me.
So it isn't unusual from my prospective for the trunks to still be there. just saying......

FB

I've always felt this was a more likely explanation.
It's worth remembering that 1969 saw a real active take-over of the psychedelic drug business by much more traditionally criminal types than the hippies who'd founded it.
I could easily see these murders being a part of that rather than a straight rip-off.

Didn't the trunks arrive after Mrs. Chapman had left for the day? I can't remember if the gardener gave her a ride down the hill or not or if I am mixing that up with the following morning. As for the trunks being in a weird spot/position possibly they were moved during the struggle between Voytek and Watson/Atkins and that's why they were in the position they were.

I can't imagine that Roman and Sharon would take the risk to smuggle that amount of drugs into the country when they could have easily called a dealer for stuff when they got back home. The two of them were not known to be drug addicts and they were very successful in their chosen professions. I think if Jay dealt any drugs at all it would be small amounts as favours for his clientele as he also successful in his chosen career. Voytek had his connection to MDA through Canada so I don't think there were drugs in the trunks - probably a lot of clothes and baby stuff.

Law enforcement believed the possibilty of a drug connection was very real. Were there indeed drugs in the shipment that LE was intercepting? If so, did the killers know about those drugs? Did they think the drugs had already arrived when in fact they hadn't?

Another question would be, why were "household goods" shipped to Polanski and Frykowski? If they were household goods, shouldn't they have been shipped to Roman and Sharon so as not arouse suspicions?

I hear ya, Mike, but I'm interested in you answering my original post: if you believe the Mansonites were there after drugs, do you believe they obtained them, that they were ever there at all, etc.?

Maybe they received a shipment of something for Rosteau? That's why Frykowski's name was on it instead of Sharon's. Shipment was picked up long before the killers arrived. Sound reasonable?

FB

one theory claims kasabian was ripped off by frykowski and folger on a drug deal and watson was sent to seek vengence and that is the real reason kasabian was sent that night.

Mike , have you been listening to Noel Harrison again "unanswered questions about unanswered questions" like a circle in a spiral like a wheel within a wheel. Brilliant Mike LOL

Maybe it was in Frykowski's name because Sharon was 9 months pregnant and wouldn't be picking up heavy trunks.

It says in that report that the trunks were shipped from the UK on August 10th and did not arrive in New Orleans until August 19th. And the Feebies tip off was newspaper reports.

Does that mean there were 4 trunks?

Does anybody know where these trunks are now?

I reviewed the First Homicide Report and the trunks arrived after Mrs. Chapman had left for the day approximately at 16:30 and the next morning Mrs. Chapman was surprised to see them in the hallway. The trunks had blood on them - O type so either Sharon's or Jay's . The clothing hanging outside the trunks could be because the killers ransacked the trunks looking for whatever was in them which I suspect for the most part was baby clothing and other baby things - however Sharon was gone from the end of March until mid July and she probably wasnt wearing maternity clothes when she left so the trunks might have had her regular clothes not her maternity clothes which she probably had in her suitcase.

Of course there could have been a schwack of drugs in them but we will never know. The trunks were taken to the Tates' house so unless they dumped them along the way someone in the Tate family probably still has them.