Manson's FBI vault records

Discussion in 'Charles Manson' started by Wessel, Apr 14, 2011.

  1. Wessel New Member

    This probably doesn't have a lot if any new info, but in the FBI's recent public release of many old records, there is a Manson file that somebody might find interesting. Link
  2. TooLate Active Member

    p23/24 and 30-32 are most interesting as they seem to contend with the drug imports of Roman and Voy as per a source spoken to prior to the import date, and it seems deals with not one but two informants(reading between the blacked out lines), one of whom has a strikingly short name, on the day of import. Much blacking out - WHO and what aspect of the case is being deemphasised for posterity by partial keeping of official secrets in the public arena?
  3. freebird Donating Members

    I love the way the FOIA works, they black out the information you want and need to have!! This is the kind of thing that makes me want to put on my tin foil hat. What is the big secret at this late date, half the people mentioned in the files are probably dead by now. Especially those involved in international drug trading.
    BTW Wessel, is that your dog? It's beautiful.

    FB
  4. Wessel New Member

    The dog is just a picture of a Pit Bull with a smile that I liked. Since I don't have my two any more I just have to settle for pictures.
  5. freebird Donating Members

    :sorry: You must miss them, I miss mine terribly. He was a sweet boy, not a mean bone in his body, They get a bad rap because of some sorry ass humans. Michael Vic comes to mind--burn in hell dude.
    FB
  6. tf investigator New Member

    From secret Scientology file FBI REPORT


    GS-C Comm GS-G 22 June 70 D/G Intell U.S. Dear Mary Sue, COMPLIANCE REPORT RE: MANSON, BRUCE DAVIS There have been numerous new developments on this case and they are as follows. An individual by the name of Steve Grogen appeared on our lines (PM). I received word that he had made statements that he was a member of Mansons family and therefore started some intell. action, which at first consisted of talking to the girls he had been in contact with. By the time I had finished talking to them Grogen had been put away in jail for car theft. In spite of numerous efforts on our part it was impossible to get together with him. I had the girl he seemed to be most in comm with, journey out to the valley on four different occasions to talk to him and in spite of our best efforts he was never made available. He was either "in court" or the jail was undergoing extensive re- decoration. Of course we did not want it known that a member of The Church was trying to see him. At the same time this was going on we received word that two members of the Manson Family "squeeky Frome" and "Sandy Goode" were staying at the Viking Motel on 3rd and Alverado which is in close proximity to the org. We made no efforts to contactthem. On 18 June 80 the following report was received by me. Report of interview with Raul Morales, Re: Charles Manson. According to Raul: Raul arrived in prison on McNeil Island, Washington in 1962 and became a cell mate of Lafayette Raimer allegedly a trained Scientology auditor (about Level I in Raul's estimation) and was introduced to Scientology at that time. Raimer was auditing in prison at that time and in one 10 man cell had managed to gather a group of about 7, all in Scientology. Charles Manson entered later and studied, did TRO etc. along with his cell-mates and received approximately 150 hours of auditing from Raimer. Processes used were CCH's, Help processes (Who have you helped-Who have you not helped) and other Dichotomy processes (Rauls terms, such as What can you confront, what would you rather not confront), Havingness (Such as "What can you have?" "Look around and find something you can have. Look around and find something you're not in." Rainer kept recor records of his auditing. Manson got super-energetic & flipped out when he'd been audited and would, for a time, talk about nothing but Scientology to the extent that people avoided his company. After a while, however, Manson was screaming to get away from his auditor (in Raul's opinion, he'd been severely over-run or something). He eventually managed to get put in solitary confi- nement to get away from his auditor. Eventually prison officials got suspicious of the groups strange activities and broke up the group. Subsequently, Raul was released from the prison in 1965. Raimer's wife was in training here at the L.A. Org in 1965-66; she had disconnected from Raimer. Raul just found out yesterday that another friend, Marvin White, later sent Manson books (after the Scientology group was broken up) on hypnotism and black magic,
  7. freebird Donating Members

    :hmmm: interesting

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