Nicknames: Patty; Little Patty aka's; Baldwin, Linda Loju; McCoy, Shirley Amanda; Baldwin, Patricia Joan Female White, 5'2, 110 pounds, brn grn DOB: 5-27-46 POB: Sewickley, PA/Ohio Valley, PA Address: #28 Clubhouse, Venice
Little Patty, little feet. I seem to have read somewhere that it was little Patty that accompanied Manson back to Cielo Drive to 'mess things up a bit". I also heard (at my age my memory is not what it was) that Little Patty was feared and dangerous - but never quite understood why. She seems to have been older than the others (except Gypsy) and all i all I can find out very little about her. Anyone have any info? Jem
Little Patty was a biker's gal, or all the bikers gal according to Stovitz. If the little feet is in reference to something someone once said about the footprint at Cielo being hers because it was unidentified, the footprint was Sadies and id'd as such. Litty Patty hung mostly out on Clubhouse with the bikers..and was at the murder of Zero. Other than that, she, from what I gather, wasnt around the Ranches alot.
Thanks, Cats. She certainly doesn't seem to have been a one guy girl! Wasn't there an (anonymous?) report to the press that Zero had been shot by a girl? And certainly she was said to have been with him when he died (in bed yet again). The whole zero incident seems to have been poorly investigated, perhaps because it only involved losers? But if a gun found at the soc has been wiped of prints clean an investigation seems obligatory rather than simply recording a sucide. And where does this idea of her being dangerous come from? Had you heard that? Jem
[quote author=jempud link=topic=893.msg28640#msg28640 date=1228290250] Thanks, Cats. She certainly doesn't seem to have been a one guy girl! Wasn't there an (anonymous?) report to the press that Zero had been shot by a girl? And certainly she was said to have been with him when he died (in bed yet again). The whole zero incident seems to have been poorly investigated, perhaps because it only involved losers? But if a gun found at the soc has been wiped of prints clean an investigation seems obligatory rather than simply recording a sucide. And where does this idea of her being dangerous come from? Had you heard that? Jem [/quote] Jem, I nver heard much about her. The dangerous quote springs to mind from Spider in the trunk of the car burning, but that had nothing to do with Little Patty, more to do with the Cooper/Pitman crew. The whole gun thing with no prints should have lead to an investigation. But I would imagine that the cops probably saw a dead end there, with only the crime scene and the words of those present in the house. I am trying to get some police reports and pictures from Zero's high school of him. I have spoken to them and they are looking for me. There has to be more than that horrid morgue shot of the boy. The timing of his death is suspect. He just got out of Inyo with Bruce on the car thefts and a few weeks later, boom, he is dead. Much respect, Cats
I still think it's amazing that they didn't investigate further. Bruce said he handled the gun and yet it was wiped clean. That alone should have set off alarm bells.
Just more of the confusion and misdirection they used in an attempt to cover up their wrong-doings. If everyone said he shot himself, then everyone admitted to handling the gun, then everyone admitted playing with the gun and accidentally shooting him, who are we meant to believe? They played their word games well, that much is certain.
I agree with what you say, Mike, but at least one of the cops should have been willing to dig a little deeper. :
I admit to not being real familiar with the details of this case, but earlier today I decided to see where Guerneville is, in relationship to Stockton. Good golly, Miss Molly, the two communities are 134 miles apart! I reckon I need to do some more reading.
[/quote] I am trying to get some police reports and pictures from Zero's high school of him. I have spoken to them and they are looking for me. There has to be more than that horrid morgue shot of the boy. Much respect, Cats [/quote] There's gotta be more photos out there of the family in earlier days. There was just way too many people around for there to be none. I don't know about all the home movies you hear about but photos i believe are out there somewhere.
The Family members at the crime scene made sure that no one was Zeroed in on by confusing Andy and Barney.
