Karl

According to an old blog on the Colonel's site:

http://tatelabianca.blogspot.com/search?q=carl+stubbs

From the Official Blog and 5 to Die by Jerry LeBlanc:

Here's page 238 referring to Patricia Krenwinkel. HE refers to her dad Joseph Krenwinkel.

His next contact with her was across a narrow wooden table in Lancaster, California, jail where she was being held on suspicion of murder.

The details of the case were shrouded in mystery and the local Sheriff's department is saying nothing, which in itself is some indication that this is almost certainly connected with the Tate and La Bianca investigation. All they will say is that she was detained in Lancaster and was part of an investigation into the death of an old man who had befriended some hippies.

There is one little known brutal murder in that area which to all outward appearances remains unsolved. The details of the killing are similar to some facts that have emerged about the Hinman, Tate and La Bianca killings.

Carl Stubbs in his sixties was a retired spiritualist and author-a very religious man, he loved nature and people and lived quietly at Olancha just south of Lone Pine in Inyo County near the turnoff for Death Valley.

His neighbors knew they were always welcome to visit him at home. "In fact," said one, "he never closed his door. He befriended everyone and would offer hospitality to all comers."

The woman who runs the local filling station was accustomed to bringing Carl his mail every day and she looked forward to her daily visits and short chats with him.

One morning arriving as usual she was surprised to find his front door closed.

"I was surprised too," she said, "because there was a blue station wagon with Michigan plates." She knocked on the door and the old man opened it just a little.

"He said he couldn't invite me in because he had relatives visiting from Chicago," she recalled, "But that seemed funny to me because that wasn't Carl's way and I knew he didn't have any relatives."

She also remembers that she looked into the room and saw two girls and two men, "hippie types," standing there. "And the girls kept looking over, sort of behind the door, as if there was somebody else standing there."

Carl's friend left and went back to her gas station. Business was brisk that morning but at the back of her mind was a nagging worry, something had not seemed right up there and she thought Carl was trying to tell her something. About an hour later she and her husband went back up to the cottage and found the old man lying badly beaten in a pool of blood, half way out of the house onto the porch.

They took him to Lone Pine hospital where he managed to speak to police before he died. But the details have never been released by the Sheriff's Department and nothing has appeared about the murder in the papers.

Lancaster Sheriffs said little about the alleged crime on which they are holding Patricia Krenwinkel to her father, but they released her to his custody and she drove back with him to Inglewood.

"Well," he turned angrily to his daughter. "What the hell is all this about?"

But the girl was silent and remained so for most of the journey home.

"Her reaction was completely unemotional," recalls Krenwinkel. "I don't think we spoke 20 words by the time we hit the San Diego freeway."

Back in Inglewood, Patricia seemed to pick up the threads of her old life again, staying at home or visiting old friends. Then she asked to be allowed to go home to visit her mother.

"I bought her a plane ticket to Alabama," Krenwinkel said, "and she left.

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Well, here is an article:

Note the differences in the stories and the laughing killers.

The attack happened on November 12, 1968 but Karl didnt pass away until around 11-26-68.

Just the fact that they were in the area and that it was hippies from what I can tell...one of those that could be related, but is it just another they try to"solve" by linking to the Family?

Yes he did, or his family did. And didnt Tex and Dianne Lake end up there when they went away?

Not that I am aware of but let me see what I can find out.

From : http://www.studiolegaleinternazionale.com/blogHome2.php?blogPage=1&blogSearch=&blogSearchNew=karl+stubbs&search.x=34&search.y=14&search=search
Tex Watson was seen following a man named Karl Stubbs to his house and that man was later found dead on 9/15/1968 in Olancha, California. This the verbatim statement from the California Police Officer as below:
“I have another murder that I want to tell you about. The victim is an 80 year old man named Karl Stubbs who was killed November 15, 1968 in Olancha, Ca., almost a year before Tate/LaBianca/Hinman/Shea. A witness identified Tex Watson in 1970. There were also two unknown girls there when Karl was beaten. The murder was not followed up on. Why? Because Charlie was nowhere near Olancha then and it would show that Tex is the serial killer. There is no way the Bug could have convinced the jury that he had total mind control on everyone back in 1968!
I spoke to the witness that lived behind Karl. She told me that Karl crawled to her trailer and told her husband that there was a boy and two girls that came in his house demanding money. Every time the boy would kick him in the head the girls would laugh. The witness said that Karl was totally lucid but he could not see. He died hours later. A year later, Tex Watson confessed the Tate/LaBianca murders to Diane Lake while there were in Olancha. Olancha is the gateway to the Barker Ranch via Hwy 190.
The case was investigated by the California Department of Justice. Tom interviewed the investigator who said that the investigation "fell through the cracks". It was not until Tex was finally extradited from Texas, after everyone else was tried, that the clerk at the store recognized Tex on TV as one of the kids that followed Karl home from the store. It is unknown if this was ever reported to Law Enforcement.
To this day, DOJ will not do anything with this case. (I have talked with them). Why not?????
It would show that Tex was killing people almost a year before, independently on his own, as well as two of the girls. That would not support the Bug's Helter Mind Control/Helter Skelter theory.
Olancha is a very small town. Gas Station, Store and one restaurant. About 500 people scattered over many square miles on ranches. It was not local kids. The Hannum Ranch is in Olancha. David Hannum worked at the Spahn Ranch in 1969 and the family used his mother's ranch in Olancha to park a semi trailer full of supplies and use it as a base.”

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Karl Stubbs did not die a few hours later-if he did, he was kept a long time. His funeral wasnt til around the 28th of November.

According to the LeBlanc piece, the filling station lady found him half dead on his porch-Karl did not crawl to the neighbors house.


Also, the beating took place on November 12, not the 15th.

Need I go on with the wrongness in what this lawyer is saying? If he cannot be counted on to tell the facts as they stand, why should he be believed about anything else? Especially Tex Watson being involved?

Indeed. I agree with what you have said.

The troubling thing to me is the lawyer who gets the facts wrong. He really isnt helping anyone's case. Especially mine when he came here and snagged a post with my catscradle77 moniker on it and then included it in a fax to Obama.

I would hope that being a lawyer and seeing that he is trying to build a csse, that he would at least get the basic of the facts right.

When did Tex join up with the Family?

And the next question would be-the Michigan plates???