just a question about the two Charlies..

Discussion in 'Family Members' started by rapunzel, Nov 3, 2011.

  1. rapunzel New Member

    Who do you think commited the worst crime? I know Charles Manson is the reason behind these murders being commited but given the fact that Tex was the one to do it... You know what I'm saying! I hate Tex the most :s
  2. jempud Resident Duck

    I don't hate anyone. In this case it all happened forty-two years ago, and I didn't know any of the people involved. Thousands and thousands of people have been murdered since then - why would I want to hate Manson or Watson any more than any of these other killers.

    I'm not a Christian, but I really don't understand hatred. I suppose the intensity might get to me if, say, a member of my family was assaulted before me - but I really can't get worked up over the fate of a few misfits and celebrities back in the 60s. And if I did, I'd be concerned about lynchings, the Salem witch trials and other social injustices rather than these fairly routine killings by a handful of confused young people.

    Hate goes with evil (to me at least) - and I don't believe people are intrinsically evil either, which is not to say that people do not sometimes do terrible things. But it's the things that are terrible, not the people, I think.

    Going back to where I started, and no offence intended, how can you 'hate' either of them? What personal involvement do you have that it gets to you that badly?

    Jem
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  3. Crow Active Member

    Great post Jempud.
  4. rapunzel New Member

    Yeah I see your point jem :). I use the the word hate lightly I guess. Just like when I say I ”love” my bag lol. I think I do hate murderers tho. I fear them. I fear being killed I read about Albert fish the other day and I'm not ashamed to say I hate him either.
  5. ambassador Member

    Charlie was the ultimate paradox, or example of dissociative disorder. A bottomless pit of love and hate.
  6. jempud Resident Duck

    I guess we all use words 'lightly' sometimes, and my apologies if I came over as an elderly school ma'am (which I am). But sometimes we need to be clear about what we mean if we want to be understood.

    "When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone,
    'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less."

    "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean
    so many different things."

    "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—
    that's all."

    [Carroll, Lewis (1871) Through the Looking-Glass, and What Alice Found There (ch. 6) ]


    If, like Humpty, we take an individual, arbitrary and idiosyncratic view of how to use words we run the risk of others not understanding us. Or so I tell my long-suffering students.

    But don't mind me too much, I'm just a pedant.

    Jem
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  7. rapunzel New Member

    Thanks jem. I must admit, I have trouble understanding myself at times. I'm glad you wrote what you did because it made me think. I'm now asking myself if I truly hate these ppl or not. Its a tough one. I can't help but think that if we had been there that night then we would have been murdered also and I am surely gonna hate anyone that murders me lol
  8. freebird Donating Members

    Hate is an emotion that will poison your soul.

    FB
  9. rapunzel New Member

    Only if you let it

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