Gimme back my bullet

I would get out of bed hearing water running, I'd want to know if a pipe had burst. As for getting up at 4am, alot of people arrive at 6am so 4 wouldn't seem to early for coffee, breakfast and off to work. Then you have "nightowls" ( I am one) who don't go to bed until 4 or 5 in the am. We usually work nights. I no longer live in or even near a large city but I can tell you...the city never sleeps. Someone is always up and about.
FB

Voytek F.

Three reasons for not killing the Webers:

1) The tape recorder in Tex's head was probably a standard cassette model and did not have auto-rewind capability after the tape reached the end. My exhaustive research informs me that a standard cassette circa 1969 would have had two 30 minute sides, and only Charlie himself could have flipped the tape over to the other side after one side had played completely.

2) Weber is a German name, and the master race was exempt from the tribulations of the end times.

3) (Seriously now, Drum roll please). Our Gang was in GTFO mode. They just murdered a bunch of people and got away with it. They weren't going to take a chance on getting caught at this point.

Or.....the minions of Manson equated older folk's age with irrelevancy......

It's hard to believe someone with the blood lust of Atkins, Watson, and Krenwinkel would pass up an easy kill......the Webers were very lucky that morning.

...Or, there were no "random" killings. All this about driving around and looking for other victims was meant to mislead. They killed at the two houses they were sent to kill at.

Good point, Birds. I've noticed that none of the police officials nor the prosecutors/defense attorneys didn't ask that very question, either. If the murders were random, then why just the two assigned houses? Is it one of those questions that just seem to ellude everyone?

The random thing prolly just got pushed to create prejudice against the killers, and also to allow whatever secrets the rich and famous wanted to keep as such... secret.
Lets not forget CM was a member of the criminal fraternity, and was likely beholden to other criminals on certain counts. Someone knows who CM made that ph call to before beelining to the LB's and I think his name would be Vincent... but he aint telling.

I think Tex and company didn't kill the Webers because they didn't have a reason to kill them. It was dark, they had changed clothes and any blood on their hands and faces should have been washed off by the water, they didn't have any weapons and Charlie didn't tell them to kill anyone except the people living along Cielo Drive and specifically 10050 Cielo Drive and they were probably exhausted by then so the last thing they wanted to do was kill more people... JMHO

Hi Mike!

Yeah I had forgotten that story about the bail money... if it was for Mary to be released what about Sandra Good? They were arrested at the same time - $600 seems like a huge amount of bail money for both Good and Brunner for stolen credit card charges but maybe Dil can speak to that and has anyone ever noticed that Sandra Good was 8 months pregant at the time of the murders as Ivan was born in September 1969... that really chills me to the bone... Basically I think that story's full of bunk.


I also think Linda's story that she went into the car and took the money from Steven Parent is bunk also. I think her memory and Tex's for that matter would be much more accurate in December 1969 and shortly thereafter rather than in 1978/1979 when Tex's book came out and in 2009 40 years after the murders...

How did you arrive at the conclusion that the story was bunk?

Thank you both for coming back. . . . .
I think it is in the SP autopsy report or the police report in the SP board. $ 9.00 in his wallet. If LK went through the wallet as she now claims why did she leave the money there? Why did they leave any of the money in the house? Why take Gibby's money and no one else's? :shrug2: The more I learn, the more questions I have........
FB

Hi Joe

I don't have anything concrete to show that it is not full of crap but these guys have told so many stories over the years it just seems implausible to me. Abigail gave them $75 and there was more money lying around the house which they didn't take. There was expensive electronic equipment in the house that they could have pawned - Jay had an expensive watch on (I believe someone said it was a Cartier watch) and had they asked any of the victims for money I am sure one of them would have given the money gladly to save their life and the lives of their friends. Also there are stories where Squeaky was responsible for the money in the family and she had stacks of bills hidden in George Spahn's house so they could have come up with the money I think.

The common denominator for the 3 crimes before LaBianca seems to be drugs. The shooting and rip-off of Bernard Crowe was over drugs, Hinman's murder was possibly over bad LSD (again they said it was over money but that was probably a more relatable excuse given the times than a drug killing) and Voytek was trying to set up a MDA clientele and Jay Sebring if not a specific dealer certainly helped out his friends with coke at his salon.


What do you think? As I said before I think some of the victims were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Yes, Mike I can see your logic and it makes sense. Wouldn't it be wild if the TLB murders were simply a runoff from the Hinman murder?

Along this line of thinking, the plan worked since Mary B. didn't spill the beans. The info. leakages came from Kitty L.

Another point I'd like to reiterate.......the defense team (of Atkins, et. al) decided not to cross-examine Mr. or Mrs. Weber about the time, sequence of events, and verbal exchanges, etc. Since the Webers were not cross-examined, the prosecuting team 'scored another one', without much resistance.