Frank's Words Questions

Discussion in 'The LaBiancas' started by catscradle77, Aug 11, 2008.

  1. catscradle77 Administrator

    Questioning Frank Struthers' statement.

    From the first LaBianca homicide report:
    On August 10, 1969, at approximately 2030 hours, Frank Struthers, Jr. was driven home from Lake Isabella by the Saffie family and dropped off in front of 3301 Waverly Drive, his home. He noticed that the family car, a 1968 Thunderbird, was parked on the street directly west of the house, and that the speed boat was still attached to the car. He felt this was irregular because his stepfather, Leno LaBianca, never left the car and speedboat out on the street overnight. As Frank walked up the driveway and past the kitchen windows, he noticed that the window shades were drawn, which was very unusual and he had never seen this done before. He noticed a light on in the kitchen and from habit went to the rear door leading to the kitchen and it was locked. He knocked on the door, but there was no response. He noticed his mother's 1955 Thunderbird parked by the garage and the water skis from the boat were lying on top of the fender. This indicated to him that his parents arrived home late Saturday night and had taken the skis out of the boat to lessen the risk of theft. They normally would put the boat away the following morning and this had not been done.

    Frank then went to the northwest side of the house and found the louvered windows open. He called for his mother and stepfather loudly through the window, but still received no response. He became alarmed and frightened




    --Okay, first he says they wouldnt leave the boat in the street, but then at the end says they would put it away the next morning.

    Which is it?

    Also, if the front door was open, why is he yelling thru the windows to find his parents??
  2. Mike Well-Known Member

    [quote author=catscradle77 link=topic=3186.msg27073#msg27073 date=1218483403]
    --Okay, first he says they wouldnt leave the boat in the street, but then at the end says they would put it away the next morning.[/quote]
    Cats, that one bothered me for a while.  OK, it still bothers me. And I don't know if this is a logical explanation or not, but maybe the practice would have been to back the boat trailer into the driveway upon arriving home. Then it would not be in the street. And then, the next morning, the boat may have been backed into the garage (or just merely covered), to 'put it away'.

    Please note I did say 'maybe'. ;)

    The LaBianca scene is as riddled with maddening dead-ends as Tate-Polanski, isn't it?
  3. Uncle Ace New Member

    the bit about yelling thru the windows is maddening as well.  who goes to ANYONE'S house and doesn't at least knock or try the front door first?
  4. catscradle77 Administrator

    The Labianca scene bothers me to no end...

    Why didnt Frank have a key to his parents house if he lived there?

    Why did he not try the front door? Banging on windows, running down to the hamburger stand to call his sister...at work, and she wasnt there..

    How in the hell does one get into the LaBianca's house, be gone for only a few minutes and come out and they are tied all nicely waiting for the slaughter?

    Why...why...why..
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  5. Mike Well-Known Member

    [quote author=catscradle77 link=topic=3186.msg27099#msg27099 date=1218531409]
    Why didnt Frank have a key to his parents house if he lived there?[/quote]
    Indeed.  I've not carried a key to my father's house for 35 years, but I know where a key is hidden.

    He certainly got in the house with no problems, didn't he?
  6. catscradle77 Administrator

    [quote author=Mike link=topic=3186.msg27103#msg27103 date=1218537311]
    [quote author=catscradle77 link=topic=3186.msg27099#msg27099 date=1218531409]
    Why didnt Frank have a key to his parents house if he lived there?[/quote]
    Indeed. I've not carried a key to my father's house for 35 years, but I know where a key is hidden.

    He certainly got in the house with no problems, didn't he?
    [/quote]

    Which goes to the testimony of Ruth Sivick..she let herself in the front door with the key from under the mat...did she return the key to under the mat by the front door? Was it ever recovered?

    The next question I have, with the stuff in Rosemary's car, were they stunned in the driveway, placed in the house? Was it by Manson, or perhaps someone else left them to be found at a certain time, and Manson went in to check if it was done...

    As far as Leno and his betting goes, how does one come to own horses when in so much debt? I can find records of Kildare Lady, who actually raced within a few days of Leno's murder. Who got the horses in the will?
  7. Jean Harlow Special Friends

    can we get a copy of the will?
  8. catscradle77 Administrator

    No. From when I asked about it, one has to be immediate family according to the one lady at the probate court.
  9. Jean Harlow Special Friends

    weird because i think up here you could just ask for a copy of the application and that would have the will in the application
  10. emzywemzywoo New Member

    [quote author=catscradle77 link=topic=3186.msg27105#msg27105 date=1218541138]
    [quote author=Mike link=topic=3186.msg27103#msg27103 date=1218537311]
    [quote author=catscradle77 link=topic=3186.msg27099#msg27099 date=1218531409]
    Why didnt Frank have a key to his parents house if he lived there?[/quote]
    Indeed.  I've not carried a key to my father's house for 35 years, but I know where a key is hidden.

    And another thing if Ruth Sivick knew where the key was hidden how come Frank didn't or if he did why didn't he use it?
  11. catscradle77 Administrator

    I always wondered why he didnt use the key that Ruth left under the front mat.
  12. emzywemzywoo New Member

    Ok so I think here would be as good a place as any to ask this but I was wondering if anyone could suggest some good reading material on this case.  I've read HS and Ed Sanders book but want to know where I can find more insightful info, can anyone advise please! Ta x
  13. Coroner In Law New Member

    [quote author=emzywemzywoo link=topic=3186.msg27438#msg27438 date=1220021896]
    Ok so I think here would be as good a place as any to ask this but I was wondering if anyone could suggest some good reading material on this case.  I've read HS and Ed Sanders book but want to know where I can find more insightful info, can anyone advise please! Ta x
    [/quote]
    Well Emy
    [size=14pt]right here[/size] you could read:
        Witness to Evil by GeorgeBishop for the trial (very insightful observer)
    or
        The Garbage People by Gilmore for a "hip" look at the Family of the time
    or
        the Bill Nelson books (beware he can be frustrating and wrong) for misc. info
  14. ecnivb Guest

    Also Paul Watkins - "My Life With Charles Manson" & "5 To Die" by Jerry LeBlanc.
    Both are very hard to find and are usually in the $80 range.
  15. emzywemzywoo New Member

    Well thank you very much guys, has anyone read Charles Manson autobiography?  was wondering how insightful it is?
  16. catscradle77 Administrator

    [quote author=emzywemzywoo link=topic=3186.msg27477#msg27477 date=1220265245]
    Well thank you very much guys, has anyone read Charles Manson autobiography?  was wondering how insightful it is?
    [/quote]

    It really isnt. It is more in the words of Emmons who interviewed Charlie for the book..I really didnt get anything from it except around 12 bucks or so lifted from my wallet.
  17. emzywemzywoo New Member

    Well I shall not bother with that one then thanks x
  18. ecnivb Guest

    [quote author=catscradle77 link=topic=3186.msg27479#msg27479 date=1220271833]
    [quote author=emzywemzywoo link=topic=3186.msg27477#msg27477 date=1220265245]
    Well thank you very much guys, has anyone read Charles Manson autobiography?  was wondering how insightful it is?
    [/quote]

    It really isnt. It is more in the words of Emmons who interviewed Charlie for the book..I really didnt get anything from it except around 12 bucks or so lifted from my wallet.
    [/quote]

    You got less ripped off than I did, I paid near $20 for that piece of junk.  :(
  19. Coroner In Law New Member

    [quote author=ecnivb link=topic=3186.msg27483#msg27483 date=1220277508]
    [quote author=catscradle77 link=topic=3186.msg27479#msg27479 date=1220271833]
    [quote author=emzywemzywoo link=topic=3186.msg27477#msg27477 date=1220265245]
    Well thank you very much guys, has anyone read Charles Manson autobiography?  was wondering how insightful it is?
    [/quote]

    It really isnt. It is more in the words of Emmons who interviewed Charlie for the book..I really didnt get anything from it except around 12 bucks or so lifted from my wallet.
    [/quote]

    You got less ripped off than I did, I paid near $20 for that piece of junk.  :(
    [/quote]
    Charlie didn't like it either  ;D
  20. freebird Donating Members

    Quote from: emzywemzywoo on August 29, 2008, 07:58:16 AM
    Watkins book is must reading, IMHO. Add to the previous posts Shadow over Santa Susanna by Gorightly. There is a lot of speculation but it is a good read and flows well. Unlike the Nelson books which apparently weren't proofed before publication. The man was a great investigator, terrible writer. His books have quite a bit of good information in them if you can get past the grammar.
    What is his obsession with Tex anyway? It was like he hardly mentions the girls but he went after Tex like there was no tomorrow.

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