Folger hush money

It has been rumored that the Folger family paid to have things hushed up after the murders.
What exactly would they need to have kept quiet???

I wonder if it might have been because she had a pesonal link to Manson - Eslelen?  The Haight?
Drugs?

Reason refuting simple cover up of drug culture is the news was already printing that little item from the beginning - what weren't they printing, that's what I'd like to know.

Yes, things can be covered up by people with money - look at the Marilyn Monroe files released several years ago by the FBI and try and figure out what famous family is blacked out - what person 'didn't usually have this sort of affair"  - sure wasn't JFK who was fairly open about his outside interests and tolerated by wife as many upper class women did of the time -

Then put the Skakle family in that scenario and you have the tasteless Ethel - and the wealthy but no class Papa Joe and another son who would certainly secure a presidential dynasty.

I am sure they did feel scandalized by the drug connection, but they didn't hush that up. Reports were rampant even back then about the drug use that went on in that house. That was even the main focus of the LAPD as a motive at first.
If they paid to hush that up, they didn't get their money's worth.

Why would they cover up a personal link to Manson?

You may be looking at this deeper that it really is.  The 60's, though only a short 40 years ago, was sociologically a different world from what you know today.  The thought of scandal was something that upper-class and middle-class families avoided greatly.  For example, abortion was illegal in the '60's.  As such, abortions were either performed behind the curtain, or in foreign countries.  For those that could not afford, or did not believe in abortion, it was not uncommon to send a young girl away to have a baby in facilities such as homes for unwed mothers.  The stigma was huge, and the perceived social impact was even greater.  As the '60's progressed, drugs were becoming even more prevalent, and as such, while still distasteful, it was easier to explain away.  To have a family member killed but what became THE most notorious killing of the decade, overshadowing The Boston Strangler, Richard Speck, and others, was not something that any prominent family would want to have gossiped about.

We can speculate about paths crossing in the Bay Area, but without any evidence of contact, it would be wild speculation that will lead nowhere but in the unnecessary use of time.

Not all words after THE were to be bold or italicized.  I neglected to change back.  My apologies to all.

A few ideas here Mike.

My parents would have flipped if I had been involved with someone like Frykowksy and my last name is not Folger.  It seemed okay for Peter Folger to divorce and marry his secretary, Beverly - but that's forgiven - always forgiven - it might have been worse had she looked like Anna Nicole Smith - but usually you men can get away with things that we can't. :

I went to the sort of Catholic school (and I wasn't even a Catholic) that Gibby went to -  a generation later the nuns were still measuring our skirts and having a fit if we wore patent leather shoes!  They might reflect your pure white 'panties' LOL.  The world was crazy - My parents choose Catholic school because I could be a bit headstrong and kept mentioning places like the Haight and 'flowers in your hair'.  As wonderful as my parents are they were frightened.

Add that to serious money - and the words 'common law relationship' and 'playboy' and 'artist (with no visible art to his credit) then put the racist Polack on top of that - check the lineage back on the Folgers  - they entered this country in the mid 17th century through Massachusetts.  Puritan.  In fact that's where Gibby got the name Abigail.

It was okay to work with the poor and the sick at the Haight - hell Inez was wonderful doing it - Brooke Astor worked with her homeless shelters in the Bronx also - but not to be involved with those people who actually needed the help.  Not romantically or not drug related.

Think of the different stigma a middle aged women in your church has with a prescription 'dependency' and with  the same age women who is a 'junkie' - both desperate, both sick, both diseased and both afflicted but as a Pastor which would you perfer to minister to?  

(No take that back because reading about you - you seem to be one with a wise and open heart)

Now, add someone who shows up like Charlie Manson - possibly even wanting to blackmail Peter Folger -whether or not he 'had anything' on Gibby - I doubt it - but a liar and a thief and a con would have smelled that coffee money.

We don't know what transpired between Abigail, the Manson group, Frykowsky - but Peter had one bullet in his arsenal and it was the money to quell the press.

At that time in hiistory it was a little bit easier to do - the Cafritz's did a farily good job of protecting Carter Cafritz which brings to mind - how many pictures of Charlene Cafritz have we ever seen.  None. Nada.

I was told how beautiful she was (Charlene Cafrtiz) - but no pictures - also missing are the films she supposedly took of sex orgies a la Manson.

How many pictures have we seen of Gibby - her Radcliffe graduation picture.  A picture of her and Frykowski that was already a press item from a fund raiser in New York - hence drinks in hand - another profile shot - may one more -

Certainly the roll of film that was taken of Sharon, Voy, Jay, Prudence that is so sad we see around the pool had to have had a few of Gibby - certainly there were some at her debut - but none of Abigail -

The only thing he had to 'protect' his daughter from FURTHER HARM was money - That's the last gift he could give her.  In the few days before the press took a hiatus with Gibby's reputation, we see where it all was headed - you just said it yourself - 'rampent drug use' and I added to it 'common law relationship,'  'playboy '-  he knew where it would lead.

Sharon Tate being an actress gave up the right to have her personal life scrutinized and the nature of her occupation is grounded in pictures and publicity.  We in that world know that when we first step on stage or get in front of  a camera we lose our anonyninity - (that's one of the great things as it gives our voice power in the media then we owe.

That's way the mask of comedy and tragedy is so appropriate for  our icon - it's Janus face epitomizes we had to make a pact at the crossroads - I'm so glad I am not in the movies or TV much exactly for that reason.

A friend of mine how is was stopped the other day for failing to yield to a stop sign - how many articles in a newspaper have we seen about such an 'awful' crime - but his name and his face is very recognizable and he ruefully  said 'well at least they used a approved press shot'.

Unlike air head heiresses these days back then it was proper for Abigail Folger to have her name mentioned in the media three ways - her birth announcement, her first marrigae (only the first)  a short obit mentioning charitible works,

The evil we do lives after us, the good is oft interred with our bones - to paraphase the Bard - an axiom  Peter Folger knew but he also knew he loved his child.  So did Inez.  They both loved both of their children - said the conspriacy theorists now allude that Peter might have even been responsibilble for his daigters death - but the media has changed and Peter Folger is dead, too.

The Tate's loved Sharon - but Sharon's had made the pact with the devil to make her name known - and her parent's were not rich people -

Peter Folger didn't cover up - he faught back in the best way he knew how - I think of those two remarkable me - Colonel Paul Tate going undercover and then sitting daily for basically 2 years looking at Sharon's killers in court.

Hard thing to do - but that's the way he faught them - they knew he was there - Manson mentions it several time - he was doing the last piece of business his daughter needed him to do -

So did Peter Folger - just in a differnt way.  In the best way he knew.

Thanks, Courtney.

Do you all think there was a relationship to cover up?

Nope.

Nope here too.

Nope!

Nope!

So essentially they spent alot of money for nothing.
Sounds like our government.

I think they thought something had to be covered up - I think they (Folger Colonel Tate) were afraid there might have been something worse lurking around the bend to hit the press.

After all back then - 'see what marijuana can do to you?  ie Reefer Madness' to me they were just father's who loved their daughters and wanted them to be 'pure' look at Peter Folger's first reaction to his daughter's death in the news "She liived a clean life"

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It has been rumored that the Folger family paid to have things hushed up after the murders.
What exactly would they need to have kept quiet???
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Reading up about Gibby, if I had a daughter who gave her money to good causes, played the piano like a pro, could speak foreign languages, graduated with honours, worked 40 hours a week despite the fact that she didn't have to, I wouldn't brush any of it under the carpet after her death. By keeping her secret, they created a bigger illusion of her.

Well I wonder are they Republicans!

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/fec/specials/mccain/by-employer/506/

No wonder they keep Gibby so quiet. She was all for RFK!

Gibby did seem to have had the heart of a democrat.  oops politics...