Thanks to an anonymous donor for the pictures that are to follow. I never knew how close Abigail and Voytek were on the lawn. So, whatever their relationship was, perhaps Voytek got out the door to try and help her.
The towel under the rope, yet no one says they did this. The towel Sadie used on the door was found in front of the fireplace.
What a mess. I'm with you, Cats - I did not realize how close they were together either. Abigail's pictures really show the damage their frenzy created that night. These photos get to me every time I see them.
There will be more tomorrow. Alot of them, I have never seen but yet now are embedded in my memory. I need the daylight to continue.
This is just inhuman. The killers did not seem to be "robots" as Tex put it. This is just blood lust. They should never be released. Jamie
Brutal, depraved, sick, evil, despicable, etc. I cannot think of a truly appropriate word for what they did. It makes you wonder if PK, SA and CW really remember the scene they left that night and why they are still rotting away in prison. It was a despicable massacre and still hard to understand.
Perhaps they should be made to look at these everyday to remind them what they and why they have not been released. Jamie
[quote author=jadedjamie link=topic=4361.msg37662#msg37662 date=1251137379] Perhaps they should be made to look at these everyday to remind them what they and why they have not been released. Jamie [/quote] Agreed.
Hi, Cats. Thanks for the pictures. I think there was one that I've never seen before. You commented on how close Gibby and Voytek were. I was surprised, too, about how close they were. The photos deceive our eyes on the proximity of the closeness of their bodies, and another thing that surprised me, was, I was always under the impression that Voytek was facing the driveway, because I thought that's where he was heading for. Then I see, he's looking the other way. I hate to burst your bubble about maybe Voytek trying to help Gibby, but I think that once they heard the words, "You are all going to die", it was a matter of self preservation. There is a phrase for it, but its eluding me, and husband doesn't know what in the world I'm talking about. I think at that point, they were only in it to save themselves from that nightmare. It would be nice to think that Voytek would try to protect Gibby like Jay tried to protect Sharon, but I don't think that's what happened. I don't think Voytek was that type of a person, especially if they weren't getting along as the story goes. I also have a question for you. I've always wondered why Jay's hands were bunched up in front of his face like that. VB says it was as if he were trying to ward off blows to his face, but I find that hard to believe, since he was already shot, and presumably unconscious at that point. I'm wondering if someone took his purple scarf he was wearing, tied his hands together, and then when Charlie & Co. came to examine the scene and they took his body outside, if they untied his hands and threw the scarf outside, since I've since read on this website that a purple scarf was found outside. His hands are already into full blown rigor at that time, so they just stayed in that position. I've always thought that was weird that his hands would be frozen like that, with nothing to hold them together. Just wondering what you thought?
BB-- Dug thru the police reports and stuff. Officer Granado is the one who mentions the purple scarf along with some purple ribbons..and other misc things...he lists them as at the crime scene but not outdoors...can anyone point me to where he states outdoors?
[quote author=catscradle77 link=topic=4361.msg37677#msg37677 date=1251143140] BB-- Dug thru the police reports and stuff. Officer Granado is the one who mentions the purple scarf along with some purple ribbons..and other misc things...he lists them as at the crime scene but not outdoors...can anyone point me to where he states outdoors? [/quote] Hi, Cats. I never heard anything really about the purple scarf, and then I think it was here, maybe the blood layout where I thought someone mentioned that the scarf was outside laying somewhere on the lawn, and I might have even seen it described on the blood layout page, but of course I could be wrong. It was rolling in the back of my mind and then for some reason, I thought of it a few days ago, and perhaps if it had been used to tie up Sebring, that Charlie and his gang pulled it off and just threw it out there as another way to mess up the crime scene, because as I mentioned before, Jay's hands looked like they had been tied up until rigor set in and that's why they stayed that way. I don't know, it was a thought rolling in my head. If you look at Jay's hands, they looked liked they were tied together, at least to me they do.
I figured it was VF's scarf he was dressed in purple. http://truthontatelabianca.com/index.php?topic=7.0 Going in a northwesterly direction from where Frykowski's body was found (Addendum 1B ) two large blood spots were found. Scientific Investigation Division has been unable to type this blood; however, it is the opinion of the investigating officers that these two large pools of blood are areas where Frykowski lay for moments in his attempt to escape from his assailants. It is possible that a struggle with the assailants occurred at these two locations. Just west of one of these blood Spots, a purple scarf was found. This scarf was drenched with blood, which has been identified as blood type O. This concludes the blood spots that investigating officers observed when they arrived.
Look at poor Abigail and that dog faced pig Krenwinkel wants to be released?? Forgiive me guys fior sayiing that I would love to kick her in the ass!!!!!
[quote author=Ladynoel link=topic=4361.msg37680#msg37680 date=1251148755] I figured it was VF's scarf he was dressed in purple. http://truthontatelabianca.com/index.php?topic=7.0 Going in a northwesterly direction from where Frykowski's body was found (Addendum 1B ) two large blood spots were found. Scientific Investigation Division has been unable to type this blood; however, it is the opinion of the investigating officers that these two large pools of blood are areas where Frykowski lay for moments in his attempt to escape from his assailants. It is possible that a struggle with the assailants occurred at these two locations. Just west of one of these blood Spots, a purple scarf was found. This scarf was drenched with blood, which has been identified as blood type O. This concludes the blood spots that investigating officers observed when they arrived. [/quote] Thanks Lady Noel. :-* But Sebring was also dressed in purple and I wonder what the hell the purple ribbons were for.
