News > Nation > National Headlines from AP Thursday, Mar 20, 2008 National Headlines from AP Posted on Thu, Mar. 20, 2008print email Digg it del.icio.us AIM New evidence points to Manson victims By GARANCE BURKEAssociated Press Writer Related Content New evidence points to Manson victims New evidence points to Manson victims FRESNO, Calif. -- As investigators consider digging for bodies at a remote ranch where Charles Manson and his acolytes once hid out, new information has emerged to bolster reports of possible clandestine grave sites in the barren California desert, authorities say. An ad hoc team of detectives and forensic investigators visited Barker Ranch last month to test the soil for evidence of decomposed bodies. Follow-up laboratory testing revealed that at least two sites could be unmarked graves, and the group is urging local investigators to begin excavating. Former Inyo County detective John Little said Wednesday he was sent into the desert in 1974 by his former boss to investigate possible human remains buried at Barker Ranch. "He said I should go up and take a look around the Barker Ranch and try to find four grave sites somewhere around 150 yards from the building," said Little, who set off toward Death Valley first in a pickup, then on horseback. "At that time, there wasn't a lot of really good forensic techniques to find things. Imagine what you could find with the sonar stuff they have now." Even though Manson and many of his followers had been convicted and sent to prison by 1971, Little spent part of the 1970s trying to tie together loose ends from the case. At one point, he came across a cache of canned food the cult members had stockpiled in the Panamint Mountains. Little doesn't recall what led his boss, then-Inyo County Under Sheriff Jack Gardiner, to send him in search of the graves. But Paul Dostie, a police detective from Mammoth Lakes who was on the team that visited the ranch in February, suspects Gardiner was tipped off to their presence by Dianne Lake, a former member of the Manson family. Prosecutors say Lake's parents encouraged her to join Manson and his followers when she was just 14. She lived with them at an old Hollywood movie set north of Los Angeles. It was there that Manson began preaching of an apocalyptic race war he said was predicted in The Beatles' song "Helter Skelter." Members believed they were a select group that would eventually come to rule the United States if they carried out gruesome killings that Manson ordered. After authorities raided Spahn Ranch, the Manson family set up alternate headquarters in the Panamint Mountains, near Death Valley, at a dilapidated house on Barker Ranch. The clan was ultimately prosecuted for nine murders that took place in the summer of 1969. Lake was later arrested in a raid, and Gardiner and his wife took her in to "deprogram" her, said Steve Kay, the former Los Angeles County deputy district attorney who prosecuted Manson. "How would Gardiner know with such specificity the sites of these graves if it weren't for Dianne Lake telling him?" Dostie said. "It just fits too well." Gardiner has since died. Little has trouble remembering the exact dates of his visit to the ranch, but is confident in many of the details. A man who answered the phone at a listing for a Dianne Lake in Ojai said his wife was not a former Manson family member. In the meantime, law enforcement officials are poring over the forensic evidence gathered at the ranch by investigators from Tennessee's Oak Ridge National Laboratory. Inyo County Under Sheriff John Eropkin said a decision on whether to dig is expected next week. Police in nearby Bishop have also reopened a different case believed to be linked to the Manson family. Fillippo Tennerelli was found dead in a motel room there on Oct. 1, 1969. At the time, the death was ruled a suicide, but at the behest of Dostie and a relative of one of Manson's victims, police are now reviewing the case to find out whether he really killed himself. Debra Tate, whose sister Sharon Tate was killed by Manson's clan, said she was told there was a drug link between Tennerrelli and the Manson family. "At this point, we're looking at whatever shreds of evidence we can gather," Bishop police Chief Kathleen Sheehan said. "There's no statute of limitations on murder."
Don't you think it odd that this information is being treated as something new. I am not passing judgement on her. There are more than enough people who do that. I just think the timing is curious. Maybe she has been saying this all along and she finally got someone to listen, who knows?
Maybe something big is going to break this time. Great artical.Any info on Tenerrelli,and who might have killed him. Reminds me of the Zero murder,i mean suicide. I would love to know the exact commection also. Who was it from the familly that was best conected and who from the house best knew the family. Who was the middle man,Hannigan or someone on the fringe. Their vehicles were seen on Bennidict cannyon. Maybe we could do a mind map. We could start to construct a chart or map,adding names to build up a connection. What do you think,the cops do this ? Thor
I just wonder why kill him? Did someone accidently tell him something he was not supposed to know? Did he reject them in some way? They seemed to be hyper-sensitive to rejection.
[quote author=catscradle77 link=topic=2740.msg14363#msg14363 date=1206035352] True. But it would be nice to get an actual connection to the Family. [/quote] Do you know of any connection whatsoever? I thought his name came up in an interview somewhere. Now I can't remember.
Its strange how so many alledged family victims meet a "suicide" by gun shot ? Debra Tate said she heard there was a conection between Tennerelli and Jay through drugs. She failed to reveal the source.
sorry i checked again and it said debra was aware of a conection involving a family member and tennerelli through drugs. ooppss Seattle Times. thor
Http://seattletimes.nwsource.com find Nation and World. Artical, New evidence points to Manson victims. March 20th 2008. Debra Tate says she was told of a drug link between Tennerelli and the family T
Debra Tate, whose sister Sharon Tate was killed by Manson's clan, said she was told there was a drug link between Tennerrelli and the Manson family. It's right at the bottom of the original post. Every news organization the covered this, used the same AP story.
[quote author=ecnivb link=topic=2740.msg19681#msg19681 date=1208918661] Debra Tate, whose sister Sharon Tate was killed by Manson's clan, said she was told there was a drug link between Tennerrelli and the Manson family. It's right at the bottom of the original post. Every news organization the covered this, used the same AP story. [/quote] Thanks. Man, I would love to know the rest of this story.
i think it'd be awesome if, after all these years, Lake was able to get a little bit of payback. All these people in the Family..... if it happened today they would go to prison for a long time based solely on what they did to her as a minor. It's amazing she ever managed to get back to a normal life.
