Autopsy of Gary Hinman

Question, where does it state in the autopsy report that his face was stitched up or appeared to be?  Did I miss something?

I really hate to ask such a morbid question, but this is a morbid subject. There are no autopsy pics of Gary and I know how gruesome they would be due to decomp, but is that why we never see any? The reason I ask is that in the threads showing the crime scene pics of the TLB's, I have noticed things I never did before, even the shape of the crime scene with towels and such. Have pictures of Gary's home ever been taken? The way the police found it?
Jamie 

Believe me Jamie - if there are any pictures available then Cats will have her little claws hunting for them - I've wondered the same thing -

I do know in the state of Florida that a lot of autopsies are not photographed - it depends on the county and the cornoner and I suppose the nature of the crime - I have a feeling that GH was really really decomposed and it's amazing that the coroner's staff can get through such a thing -

Remember "Silence of the Lambs?"  Crawford sticks menthol up his nose (Vick's vapor Rub) to quell the stench and the fumes -

Years ago a friend and I were riding our horses around her little town - the horses started shying when we came to the back lot of someones empty guesthouse - then the stench hit us - we raced back to her house and her Dad went down to see what was going on - natural causes had been the cause of death of a woman living by herself but unfortunately a heater was on in the house and her dogs were in there too - not a pretty site -

That's one smell that will never completely go out of my mind -

Another point - Cats you might not remember being the young feline you are but dental floss was not an ordinary item back in that day - that's always puzzled me - but of course we know those girls were fastidious about their own teeth when someone else was paying for it - so I suppose it could be a truism - also dental floss will not go through the eye of any needle I have in this house - I just checked - nada -

Courtney~ Excellent point about the dental floss. Also, imagine the puncture wounds that would have left on his face if they had even TRIED. What I will never understand is why the lie? It would have meant horrible pain for Gary, so it does not make them look more humane, if that was the reason for the lie.
I have also had the misfortune to find a body. A friend with Epilepsy drowned in his bath and I found him. You NEVER get over the smell.
Jamie

Courtney, don't know if Susan and Denise were smart enough to think of this, but maybe they split the dental floss in two so it would go through a needle.  Just a thought......don't know if its even possible. :-\ 

Also, wanted to comment on why there wasn't any drugs in Gary's system and wouldn't he be trying out his product to see if its any good.  1)Maybe its true, it was bad stuff, and he sure as hell didn't want to be taking the stuff if it was bad (hence the reason why he was killed in the first place-selling bad junk). 2) Maybe he was too smart not to become an addict anymore, so he didn't sample his stuff, just sold it to the suckers so they'd become addicted. Or 3)Since he was so decomposed, wouldn't that make any kind of blood test negative for drugs in his system? 

I don't know about drugs and blood tests and all that stuff, and I guess the hair follicle test wasn't even heard of back then, let alone thought to have been done on him.

Don't know where she got her information from, but here's another take on it:

Once inside Hinman's house, Beausoleil and his female cohorts threatened the musician who insisted he had no money. Beausoleil called Manson to explain the degenerating situation. Manson in turn showed up at the house with a knife, which he lunged at Hinman's face. After Manson left, things got more out of control when Hinman refused to let Beausoleil give him makeshift stitches using dental floss, and threatened to call the authorities. That's when Beausoleil took matters (and a knife) into his own hands and made the panicked decision that would end his life as a free man. He killed Gary Hinman.

From a writer that lived in the canyon:  http://www.shanatinglipton.com/beausoleil.html

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Courtney, don't know if Susan and Denise were smart enough to think of this, but maybe they split the dental floss in two so it would go through a needle.  Just a thought......don't know if its even possible. :-\ 

Also, wanted to comment on why there wasn't any drugs in Gary's system and wouldn't he be trying out his product to see if its any good.  1)Maybe its true, it was bad stuff, and he sure as hell didn't want to be taking the stuff if it was bad (hence the reason why he was killed in the first place-selling bad junk). 2) Maybe he was too smart not to become an addict anymore, so he didn't sample his stuff, just sold it to the suckers so they'd become addicted. Or 3)Since he was so decomposed, wouldn't that make any kind of blood test negative for drugs in his system? 

I don't know about drugs and blood tests and all that stuff, and I guess the hair follicle test wasn't even heard of back then, let alone thought to have been done on him.
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Something in the autopsy report has led me to call "bullshit" on the bad drugs angle on Hinman.  He was discovered by a someone from a drug recovery group.  Now I understand that people in recovery can backslide, but deal?  Sounds strange to me.

I'm leaning more toward the BB was tight with Hinman, the Family thought he had cash and needed it, so they sent BB over to get it with MB and SA.  Things spun out of control and Hinman ends up dead.

Small point, but if I'm right it further clouds the picture.  Easy to understand the bad drugs angle, but why did the Family feel it was necessary to go this far for money at this point in time?

Commie, you make a good point.  If it was the money angle, and it could very well have been because Manson thought he was ENTITLED to helping himself to everyone's money and personal possessions, then that could be the answer, but then why kill him, as you asked.  He didn't kill Dennis Wilson, although he threatened to.  Do you suppose he threatened Gary and when Gary still didn't come across the money, Manson flew in a rage and had him killed just to prove a point?  That would make sense.  I mean, that was an awful lot of money that Gary was supposed to have inherited.  I can see Charlie's mouth watering at the thought of it.  What do you suppose he'd do with the money?  Flee and desert his followers?

BB~ I think it is important to remember that at this point Manson thought he had killed a Black Panther. He had shot Crowe, but Crowe wasn't a BP and he did not die, but Manson did not know this. Also, I think CM knew the police were watching them, and then there is George Spahn, wanting them off of the ranch. Yes, Manson needed money very badly.
Jamie

Jamie, I didn't realize that George Spahn wanted them off the ranch.  I thought he was perfectly happy having the girls wait on him hand and foot and what I am assuming performing hand/blow jobs on him , sorry.  HS never really came out and said that, but I'm just guessing.  You know what's weird is, since Manson always just took things, why didn't he take stuff at the Tate and LaBianca houses?  He could of had some expendable girls pawn them for money.  Just seems weird that he would take stuff from Dennis Wilson who was nice enough to let him stay there, and not take anything from the crime scenes when he went back to see to Tate's and then have Tex, Katie and Leslie take stuff after the LaBianca murders?  Other than the police looking into it, they could of gone to other states and pawned them.  His family traveled around, its not like they had to stay in California.  Just doesn't make any sense if he was so hard up for money.

BB~ Excellent point. They left so many valuable things. It makes me think that they were there for other reasons, namely drugs/drug burn? Also, Rosemary had a nice dress on over her night gown. Where they going to force her to go somewhere and retrieve something?
As for George Spahn, he was about to sell the Ranch to some German man, and that man did not want the family there. Shorty, from what I understand, was assigned the task of spying on/removing them? I may be wrong, but that is my understanding. Either way, the family's time on the ranch was up and they knew it. They were also afraid the Black Panthers were on the way retaliate for the Crowe shooting.
Jamie

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BB~ Excellent point. They left so many valuable things. It makes me think that they were there for other reasons, namely drugs/drug burn? Also, Rosemary had a nice dress on over her night gown. Where they going to force her to go somewhere and retrieve something?
As for George Spahn, he was about to sell the Ranch to some German man, and that man did not want the family there. Shorty, from what I understand, was assigned the task of spying on/removing them? I may be wrong, but that is my understanding. Either way, the family's time on the ranch was up and they knew it. They were also afraid the Black Panthers were on the way retaliate for the Crowe shooting.
Jamie
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Once again, jamie, you have given me information I had no idea about.  I didn't know that George Spahn was going to sell the ranch!!!!!!!   Now, this Frank Retz guy makes sense.  I didn't understand who he was.  I thought he was someone who lived there, but away from the Manson Family.  Duh!! Thank you so much.  And to every member, thank you!!!  You teach more things and open my eyes. :-*

Does anyone know if there was any evidence in Gary's house recovered by the police that backs up BB's claim that Gary was dealing drugs? I haven't seen any and can only conclude that either BB, Mary and/or Susan, and/or other family associates removed all evidence from Gary's house, or BB just lied about it. I'm heavily leading to the latter conclusion.

There is something that I noticed for the first time, and it struck me as quite a shock, am I understanding correctly from the autopsy report that the wound to Gary's ear and cheek inflicted by Manson's sword was "possibly fatal"? (wound number 2).

I always assumed that that would was more painful than deadly. Or was the wound caused by Manson a different one?