Truth on Tate-LaBianca Blog Examining the Manson Murders

16Jul/120

Interviewing Irving Kanarek

Things have been pretty crazy over at the Truth on Tate / LaBi­anca Forums of late.  So much is hap­pen­ing that I’m hav­ing trou­ble keep­ing up with it all.

The first inter­view with Irv­ing Kanarek, Manson’s trial attor­ney, has been posted to the forums.  There is a lot of infor­ma­tion com­ing out over a course of mul­ti­ple inter­views, so we’re work­ing hard at get­ting all that mate­r­ial pre­pared and posted.

Cats recently received a very large box, full to the brim with trial tran­script paper­work.  And try­ing to get all of that mate­r­ial scanned, sized, water­marked and posted is a mon­u­men­tal under­tak­ing.  But she’s already turned out the penalty phase tran­scripts of Bernard Crowe, the man Man­son shot, of Samuel Bar­rett, Manson’s parole offi­cer and we’re already see­ing the first pages of the Lynette ‘Squeaky’ Fromme tes­ti­mony.  We’re pretty excited about get­ting all of this data posted as there are some very inter­est­ing names and events com­ing out in this tes­ti­mony.  Seri­ous stu­dents of the Man­son story are already hav­ing some ‘AHA’ moments and Cats has barely scratched the surface.

We’re always happy to see peo­ple par­tic­i­pat­ing in the forum dis­cus­sions, so be sure to stop by and join in!

Mike

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5Jul/120

Truth on Tate / Labianca Forums Podcast

Be sure to check out the pod­cast inter­views avail­able on the Truth on Tate / LaBi­anca Forums, where you will be able to learn the real truth about real events sur­round­ing Charles Man­son, his fol­low­ers and the crimess they committed.

We’re not like other Manson-oriented Web sites, where we waste our lis­ten­ers’ time by call­ing unknown answer­ing ser­vices, promis­ing the ser­vice belongs to some­one con­nected to Man­son.  We don’t present dis­in­for­ma­tion, only allow­ing our­selves to be “cor­rected” by the “experts” in a chat room.   We don’t spin your wheels with dis­cus­sion about things like leather vests and leather jack­ets, because we’ve already done our home­work and know it was really a leather shirt.  So much for “experts”, eh?  We don’t attack anyone’s cred­i­bil­ity based on their phys­i­cal attrib­utes.  Short, tall, over-weight or under-weight, we’re just focused on get­ting the bot­tom line pub­lished for our mem­bers and guests.  We record inter­views with the peo­ple with con­nec­tions to Man­son, to the mur­ders, to the arrests and to the tri­als.  And then we make those inter­views avail­able to our mem­bers and guests.

Instead of dial­ing up ques­tion­able answer­ing ser­vices, we’ve dialed up peo­ple like for­mer Los Ange­les Sheriff’s Deputy Pre­ston Guil­lory, who actu­ally took part in the Spahn Ranch raid on 16 August 1969.  Instead of wast­ing your time with inter­view­ing peo­ple who are rep­re­sent­ing Man­son at mean­ing­less parole hear­ings, we’re cur­rently wrap­ping up a series of inter­views with Irv­ing Kanarek, the attor­ney who rep­re­sented Man­son dur­ing the actual mur­der tri­als.  To bor­row a phrase, yes, THAT Irv­ing Kanarek.  And we’ve some other inter­views in the works for the upcom­ing weeks and months, so be sure to visit the Truth on Tate / Labi­anca Forums to see what’s new.

Mike

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13Jun/120

Bruce Davis, Manson Family member– Parole Hearing 2012

Today, is Bruce Davis’s Parole Hear­ing. I do not believe he is going to get a date, but who knows. Another ques­tion, why is Debra Tate allowed to attend this hearing?

From:cnn.com

Los Ange­les (CNN) — One of infa­mous killer Charles Manson’s fol­low­ers, Bruce Davis, is sched­uled to have a Cal­i­for­nia parole hear­ing on Wednes­day, two years after parole had been granted to him but was over­turned by then-Gov. Arnold Schwarzeneg­ger, offi­cials said.

Davis, 69, is serv­ing a life sen­tence for the 1969 first-degree mur­ders of music teacher Gary Hin­man and stunt­man Don­ald “Shorty” Shea.

In 2010, the Cal­i­for­nia Depart­ment of Cor­rec­tions and Rehabilitation’s Board of Parole Hear­ing granted parole to Davis, but Schwarzeneg­ger revoked it, said cor­rec­tions spokes­woman Terry Thornton.

The parole board in 2010 said that Davis had not been dis­ci­plined since 1980 and par­tic­i­pated in all avail­able edu­ca­tion, voca­tion and self-help programs.

Man­son, 77, is serv­ing a life sen­tence for nine mur­ders. He led his fam­ily of fol­low­ers in a deadly spree in 1969, whose vic­tims included eight-months-pregnant movie actress Sharon Tate. Man­son was denied parole for the 12th time in March.

Man­son, whose grue­some killings inspired the best-selling book “Hel­ter Skel­ter,” will be up for parole again 15 years from now, when he would be 92.

Debra Tate, the sis­ter of Sharon Tate, said she would attend Davis’ parole hear­ing on Wednes­day, to be held at the Cal­i­for­nia Men’s Colony in San Luis Obispo, where Davis is incar­cer­ated, 193 miles north­west of down­town Los Angeles.

The pub­lic needs to know this man is very dan­ger­ous now as he was in 1969,” Tate said. She also attended Manson’s parole hear­ing and objected to Manson’s parole.

Wednesday’s pro­ceed­ing will mark Davis’ 27th parole hear­ing, Thorn­ton said.

In a sep­a­rate, unre­lated court pro­ceed­ing involv­ing another Man­son fol­lower, Charles D. “Tex” Wat­son is seek­ing to over­turn a bank­ruptcy judge’s order turn­ing over audio­tapes of his to the Los Ange­les Police Department.

Police want the tapes because they believe the record­ings might pro­vide new clues about unsolved killings involv­ing fol­low­ers of Man­son, accord­ing to court documents.

But in court papers filed last week, Wat­son asked Judge Brenda T. Rhoades to revise her deci­sion and merely allow police to lis­ten to all record­ings in the pres­ence of a court trustee or other des­ig­nate but not take pos­ses­sion of them.

The tapes are about eight hours of record­ings between Wat­son and his attor­ney from 1969, Bill Boyd of McK­in­ney, Texas, whose law firm is now a debtor in U.S. Bank­ruptcy Court in the same state, court papers said.

Accord­ing to court doc­u­ments, Wat­son waived his attorney-client priv­i­lege to the tapes in 1976, and his attor­ney received par­tial pay­ment for his legal fees when he gave a copy of the tapes to Chap­lain Ray­mond G. Hoek­stra, who sub­se­quently wrote a book, “Will You Die for Me: The Man Who Killed for Charles Man­son Tells His Own Story.”

In court fil­ings last week, Wat­son requested “that the Tapes not be turned over to the LAPD, because they are not a cred­i­tor to my late attor­ney Bill Boyd, God rest his soul” and “because reper­cus­sions of the motion have not been fully con­sid­ered by all par­ties concerned.”

Added Wat­son in court doc­u­ments: “… this case is high noto­ri­ety, with much media atten­tion. For this rea­son, spe­cial con­sid­er­a­tion should be made with who takes pos­ses­sion of The Tapes, so they will not be mis­used for pur­poses unin­tended by the court and that could be hurt­ful to the fam­i­lies of the victims.”

Wat­son, 66, was con­victed of seven counts of first-degree mur­der and was denied parole for the 16th time in Novem­ber. He will be con­sid­ered again in 2016, accord­ing to the Cal­i­for­nia Depart­ment of Cor­rec­tions and Rehabilitation.

For more infor­ma­tion on the Tate-LaBianca mur­ders, please visit us at truthontatelabianca.com

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8Apr/120

Sharon Tate’s Due Date October, 1969 — Doctors Paperwork

Behind the scenes, I have been con­vers­ing with Alisa Stat­man over some of the stuff in the Rest­less Souls book. I have been ask­ing her some very pointed ques­tions con­cern­ing some of it, for it goes against what we have been told for years. Alisa, as always, has been more than gra­cious in her replies, and has been very patient with my ques­tion­ing, and for this I give her lots of credit. (as some one told me recently “You are per­sis­tent”, and that I am).

One of my ques­tions was con­cern­ing Sharon Tate’s due date. We have been told for years that it was in August, and when I read Octo­ber in Rest­less Souls, I was con­fused. It is almost two months difference.

Alisa pro­vided this doc­u­ment to show where she got her info from and that she indeed was not mak­ing stuff up or it wasn’t an error. Which date is right, we will never know for sure for Sharon was not given the chance to give birth to her son.

So, to Alisa, thank you for this doc­u­ment. And thank you for putting up with my end­less questions.

With­out fur­ther ado, the doctor’s doc­u­ment from Italy from where Alisa got the Octo­ber date. If there are issues in see­ing it, it is from my end and per­haps Mike can step in and make it better:

Sharon Tate - October Due Date

For this and more dis­cus­sion on Charles Man­son, the Man­son Fam­ily, and the Tate LaBi­anca mur­ders, come see us at Truth On Tate LaBi­anca Forums.

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9Jan/120

01/09/2012 Truth On Tate LaBianca Forum Podcast

Thru all the hard work, it finally came to be, our Truth on Tate LaBi­anca Forum podcast.

Click here for podcast.

Which I am proud to say, had a lot of work from Paul (so thank you) and Mike (so thank you), and we look toward the future pod­casts with the guests we have on board.

This show is on Danny DeCarlo and his life and times.

Enjoy all and thanks for all the love and support.

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25Nov/110

Truth on Tate LaBianca forums Podcast and other news

As we are near­ing our time to air our first Truth on Tate­LaBi­anca forums pod­cast, I just wanted to say thanks to all who have given a hand in the pro­duc­tion and for every­one who has been so patient and sup­port­ive of our efforts. We have some really excit­ing guests com­ing your way, so stay tuned for the offi­cial announcement.

Tex Wat­son, of course, got a five year denial. I was really sur­prised that he even showed up, and with him not will­ing to really dis­cuss his crimes, I have no clue what he was even think­ing if any­thing at all.

A big thanks to jmenges for the deeds to the Harold True home and the Waverly home of the LaBianca’s. As we all know, it seems to have made more ques­tions than answers in com­par­ing the deeds.

For the full dis­cus­sion and com­par­sions, for this and dis­cus­sion on the Man­son Fam­ily today ‚please visit us at Truth on Tate­Labi­anca Forums.

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23Nov/110

Truth on Tate LaBianca Forums Podcast

First of all Happy Thanks­giv­ing to every­one and thank you for the sup­port and patience you all have shown thru this.

We are cur­rently putting the fin­ish­ing touches on our Truth On Tate LaBi­anca Pod­cast show. It is the first of many to come, and we are stick­ing with the qual­ity that you all have become accus­tomed to on our Truth On Tate LaBi­anca forums.

We have lots of excit­ing things lined up, and on this the eve of Thanks­giv­ing, I just wanted to say thank you for your mas­sive sup­port of the site and many emails won­der­ing about what was going on.

It will be just a lit­tle bit longer, for we are about qual­ity with our Truth on Tate LaBi­anca Forum Podcast.

Happy Thanks­giv­ing all.

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16Nov/111

Tex Watson, Charles Manson Follower, Parole Hearing November 16, 2011

Man­son Fol­lower ‘Tex’ Wat­son Seeks Parole in Calif

By DON THOMPSON Asso­ci­ated Press
SACRAMENTO, Calif. Novem­ber 16, 2011 (AP)

The self-described right-hand man of cult leader Charles Man­son, who was con­victed of orches­trat­ing the Tate-LaBianca slay­ings 42 years ago, has his lat­est parole hear­ing sched­uled Wednes­day in a Cal­i­for­nia prison.

Charles “Tex” Wat­son, 65, has been denied parole 13 times but will try again dur­ing a hear­ing at Mule Creek State Prison in Ione, in the Sierra foothills 50 miles south­east of Sacramento.

Four rel­a­tives of Watson’s vic­tims plan to ask that his parole be denied for killing actress Sharon Tate, who was eight months preg­nant, and four oth­ers at her Bev­erly Hills home on Aug. 9, 1969. The next night, he helped kill gro­cery own­ers Leno and Rose­mary LaBianca.

There’s no ques­tion these were some of the most hor­rific crimes in Cal­i­for­nia his­tory in terms of the bru­tal­ity, the mul­ti­ple stab wounds, the gun­shots, the large num­ber of vic­tims over a two-day period,” said Los Ange­les County Deputy Dis­trict Attor­ney Patrick Sequeira. “For a group of peo­ple to just slaugh­ter strangers in hopes of ignit­ing a race war is extremely horrifying.”

Watson’s attor­ney, Cheryl Mont­gomery, did not return repeated tele­phone messages.

Wat­son mar­ried and divorced in prison and has four chil­dren from con­ju­gal vis­its, but his fam­ily did not respond to a request for com­ment that was left through the web­site that pro­motes Watson’s prison min­istry, http://www.aboundinglove.org.

The web­site says he was raised in Copeville, Texas, north of Dal­las, and headed to Cal­i­for­nia in 1967 after drop­ping out of col­lege. A brief bio­graph­i­cal sketch on the site said Wat­son believed Man­son “offered utopia, but in real­ity, he had a destruc­tive world view, which Charles ended up believ­ing in and act­ing upon. His par­tic­i­pa­tion in the 1969 Man­son mur­ders is a part of his­tory that he deeply regrets.”

A book he wrote while in prison is titled, “Manson’s Right-Hand Man Speaks Out!” In the past, Wat­son has argued that he is a changed man who has been a model pris­oner and no longer is a dan­ger to the public.

He did not attend his last parole hear­ing in 2006 but was por­trayed in a psy­chi­atric eval­u­a­tion at the time as “a very devout fun­da­men­tal­ist Chris­t­ian … a young, naïve and gullible man (who) got into drugs and bizarre com­pany with­out appre­ci­at­ing the deviance of the com­pany he was keeping.”

Anthony DiMaria, a nephew of vic­tim Jay Sebring, planned to con­test that view of Wat­son and other Man­son disciples.

They’ve often been por­trayed as these vic­tims of Man­son, and they are killers. They’re mass mur­der­ers,” DiMaria said in a tele­phone inter­view before the hearing.

He planned to attend the hear­ing with his mother and sister.

Debra Tate also was expected to speak to the two-member panel of the Cal­i­for­nia Board of Parole Hear­ings on behalf of her late sis­ter, Sharon, who at the time was mar­ried to film direc­tor Roman Polanski.

Wat­son was con­victed in a sep­a­rate trial after Man­son and three female fol­low­ers were found guilty of the seven mur­ders. Their death sen­tences were com­muted to life when the U.S. Supreme Court briefly out­lawed the death penalty in 1972.

DiMaria said his mother has con­sid­ered it her mis­sion to speak out on behalf of her brother.

I know that our fam­ily, myself included, feel no hatred, anger or vengeance toward them. We actu­ally go out of love for the vic­tims, and we also go out of jus­tice. This is cal­cu­lated, cold-blooded mass mur­der in which bod­ies were des­e­crated,” DiMaria said. “We want to bring the mem­o­ries of the vic­tims into the room as the com­mis­sion­ers delib­er­ate on whether to parole the inmate.”

Please visit our site Truth On Tate LaBi­anca Forums, for dis­cus­sion on the Man­son Fam­ily today.

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8Nov/110

Restless Souls –Alisa Statman stops by

I would like to thank Alisa Stat­man for stop­ping by the Truth On Tate LaBi­anca forums and clear­ing up some of the ugly rumors that have been cir­cu­lat­ing for years on her and Bill Nelson’s dealings.

From Alisa:

A: I did not move to Los Ange­les until 1988, and I did not meet Mr. Nel­son until 1991–a year after mov­ing into the Cielo house–though he started send­ing me let­ters in 1990 to the Cielo address.
B: I had never even seen the crime scene pho­tos until long after I moved into the Cielo house when in 1992, Nel­son and I paid a visit to (ex) detec­tive Earl Deemer .
C: I would never sell crime scene or death pho­tos for “big bucks” or any bucks. The thought is truly nauseating.

As long as I’m on the sub­ject of pho­tos, Nel­son & Deemer, I’d like a chance to clear the air about the now infa­mous stolen pho­tos that I took from Deemer’s house…

The fact is, I did it and I’d do it again tomor­row for the Tate fam­ily or for Jane Doe’s fam­ily down the street because that’s where those pho­tos belonged–with the victim’s family…Why? Because when we lose some­one we love all we have are mem­o­ries and photographs.

When I walked into Deemer’s din­ing room, the table was piled high with “mem­o­ra­bilia” on Sharon’s case. In the midst of it all, I found the slides and neg­a­tives of Sharon, Jay, & Woytek at the Cielo house. Because he held both the neg­a­tives and the slides, I knew the victim’s fam­i­lies had never seen them. And I was mad as hell because Deemer had kept those pic­tures from the victim’s fam­i­lies for 23 years. Pic­tures that they deserved to enjoy, to look at, and to remem­ber their loved ones by. I stole them not for profit, but because the victim’s fam­i­lies been denied that joy and right by a man that wanted them for his per­sonal col­lec­tion or to sell them once his pen­sion was secure.

How dare he? was all that kept run­ning through my mind. … So, yes, when the two of them left the room, I stole as many as I could pocket, made enough copies for each of the fam­ily mem­bers (Sebring & Frykowski) and sent them to Patti, for no other rea­son than that is where they had belonged all along.

When Nel­son and I left Deemer’s house I told him about the stolen pho­tos and my plan to return them to the right­ful own­ers and he was extremely angry with me. Fol­low­ing that, Nel­son made many threats of what he’d do if I didn’t return the pic­tures. I told him to f@#k off– That is why Nel­son and I parted com­pany. Plain and sim­ple, we had two dif­fer­ent agen­das and I could not con­done his.

I’m sure many of you will still hold the opin­ion that a thief is a thief, and, of course, you’re enti­tled to feel that way about me. But there is noth­ing that any­one could say that would make me per­son­ally believe that what I did wasn’t the morally right thing to do.

And, for the record, my upcom­ing book will (I believe) be the only book deal­ing with this sub­ject mat­ter that doesn’t include a sin­gle photo of the crime/morgue scenes.

Thank you all for indulging me.
Sin­cerely,
Alisa Statman

Also, Alisa kindly gave us a full book review on the soon to be pub­lished Rest­less Souls:The Sharon Tate Family’s Account of Star­dom, Mur­der, and a Crusade

From Alisa :

I’d never use your forum as means to pimp my book but since you asked, it’s not just based on Col. Tate’s writ­ings, there’s so much more. Below is the book descrip­tion from the pub­lisher that explains it bet­ter than I could –(the one on Ama­zon is incor­rect, a trun­cated, half-hazard version).

Book Descrip­tion
Rest­less Souls:

The grue­some mur­ders of the beau­ti­ful and tal­ented actress Sharon Tate, her unborn child and four oth­ers that same night at the hands of the noto­ri­ous “Man­son fam­ily” rocked the nation. As one of the most hor­rific crimes in mod­ern his­tory, these atroc­i­ties, the trial and the sub­se­quent con­vic­tion of Charles Man­son and his fol­low­ers caused a media sen­sa­tion, spawn­ing movies, doc­u­men­taries and best­selling books, includ­ing the clas­sic Hel­ter Skel­ter. A defin­ing moment in an era oth­er­wise asso­ci­ated with rad­i­cal peace, love and under­stand­ing, this inci­dent is one that still res­onates with mil­lions today.
Yet while this crime left an indeli­ble mark on society’s con­scious­ness, it was, first and fore­most, a shat­ter­ing per­sonal tragedy for those clos­est to Sharon—the lov­ing fam­ily left to cope with the emo­tional dev­as­ta­tion of her loss. Now, after nearly forty years, their story is finally revealed.
Com­piled by close fam­ily friend Alisa Stat­man and Sharon’s niece Brie Tate, Rest­less Souls draws on a wealth of mate­r­ial includ­ing inter­views with the Tates, per­sonal let­ters, tape record­ings, home movies, pub­lic inter­views, pri­vate jour­nals, and offi­cial doc­u­ments to pro­vide a pow­er­ful, poignant, and affect­ing four-decade, three-generation mem­oir of crime and pun­ish­ment, anguish and hope, rage and love, that is both a chron­i­cle of death and a cel­e­bra­tion of life.
Extend­ing beyond all pre­vi­ous accounts, Rest­less Souls is the most reveal­ing, riv­et­ing, and emo­tion­ally raw account not just of these heinous mur­ders, the hunt and cap­ture of the killers and the behind-the-scenes drama of their tri­als, but of the tor­ment vic­tims fam­i­lies’ endure for years in the wake of such sense­less vio­lence.
Tate fam­ily mem­bers set the record straight, cor­rect­ing media mis­in­for­ma­tion and delv­ing well beyond the offi­cial sto­ry­line to pro­vide infor­ma­tion, much of it avail­able for the first time. Inti­mate, hon­est, and heart­felt, Rest­less Souls remark­able details, including :

* the dra­matic role Sharon’s father, P. J., a retired army intel­li­gence offi­cer, played in find­ing his daughter’s mur­der­ers
* the reac­tion P. J. had when he came face to face—alone—with Sharon’s con­victed killer in a hold­ing room dur­ing a parole hear­ing
* the threats and men­ace that extended beyond prison walls, haunt­ing the victim’s fam­ily for gen­er­a­tions later
* the fight Sharon’s mother, Doris, mounted to insure the rights of vic­tims’ loved ones, par­tic­u­larly the right to make an ‘impact state­ment’ at parole hearings—a legacy that has helped keep dan­ger­ous crim­i­nals behind bars
* the bat­tles Sharon’s sis­ter, Patti, waged with the enter­tain­ment indus­try as she tire­lessly worked to pre­vent artists from glo­ri­fy­ing her sister’s killers in music, art, and films

Told from the Tate’s extra­or­di­nary per­spec­tive Rest­less Souls offers a rare glimpse at the post-trauma sur­vival of a fam­ily and their jour­ney to find jus­tice and ulti­mately, peace—a glimpse that couldn’t be more timely as Charles Man­son comes up for parole again in 2012.

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So, thanks Alisa for clear­ing things up and we all look for­ward to your book. I believe it is a side of things that hasn’t been told and needs to be.

For dis­cus­sion on the Tate­LaBi­anca mur­ders and tri­als, please visit, Truth On Tate LaBi­anca, for this and more dis­cus­sion on the Man­son Fam­ily Today.

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15Sep/110

Raw Footage of the Manson family and the Tate LaBianca trial

Paul has uploaded the UCLA footage of the Man­son Fam­ily in its entir­ity on his youtube chan­nel for all to enjoy. While bits and pieces have been uploaded, This runs for over an hour a seg­ment so there isn’t all the point­ing and click­ing that usu­ally comes on youtube due to the 9 minute segments.

This is part one of it. There are the Man­son Fam­ily attor­neys, the Man­son girls, and a lot more to be seen in this footage.

Thanks Paul.

For this and a whole lot more, please come visit Truth On Tate LaBi­anca forums where you can read and dis­cuss the Man­son Fam­ily today.

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