Things have been pretty crazy over at the Truth on Tate / LaBianca Forums of late. So much is happening that I’m having trouble keeping up with it all.
The first interview with Irving Kanarek, Manson’s trial attorney, has been posted to the forums. There is a lot of information coming out over a course of multiple interviews, so we’re working hard at getting all that material prepared and posted.
Cats recently received a very large box, full to the brim with trial transcript paperwork. And trying to get all of that material scanned, sized, watermarked and posted is a monumental undertaking. But she’s already turned out the penalty phase transcripts of Bernard Crowe, the man Manson shot, of Samuel Barrett, Manson’s parole officer and we’re already seeing the first pages of the Lynette ‘Squeaky’ Fromme testimony. We’re pretty excited about getting all of this data posted as there are some very interesting names and events coming out in this testimony. Serious students of the Manson story are already having some ‘AHA’ moments and Cats has barely scratched the surface.
We’re always happy to see people participating in the forum discussions, so be sure to stop by and join in!
Be sure to check out the podcast interviews available on the Truth on Tate / LaBianca Forums, where you will be able to learn the real truth about real events surrounding Charles Manson, his followers and the crimess they committed.
We’re not like other Manson-oriented Web sites, where we waste our listeners’ time by calling unknown answering services, promising the service belongs to someone connected to Manson. We don’t present disinformation, only allowing ourselves to be “corrected” by the “experts” in a chat room. We don’t spin your wheels with discussion about things like leather vests and leather jackets, because we’ve already done our homework and know it was really a leather shirt. So much for “experts”, eh? We don’t attack anyone’s credibility based on their physical attributes. Short, tall, over-weight or under-weight, we’re just focused on getting the bottom line published for our members and guests. We record interviews with the people with connections to Manson, to the murders, to the arrests and to the trials. And then we make those interviews available to our members and guests.
Instead of dialing up questionable answering services, we’ve dialed up people like former Los Angeles Sheriff’s Deputy Preston Guillory, who actually took part in the Spahn Ranch raid on 16 August 1969. Instead of wasting your time with interviewing people who are representing Manson at meaningless parole hearings, we’re currently wrapping up a series of interviews with Irving Kanarek, the attorney who represented Manson during the actual murder trials. To borrow a phrase, yes, THAT Irving Kanarek. And we’ve some other interviews in the works for the upcoming weeks and months, so be sure to visit the Truth on Tate / Labianca Forums to see what’s new.
Today, is Bruce Davis’s Parole Hearing. I do not believe he is going to get a date, but who knows. Another question, why is Debra Tate allowed to attend this hearing?
Los Angeles (CNN) — One of infamous killer Charles Manson’s followers, Bruce Davis, is scheduled to have a California parole hearing on Wednesday, two years after parole had been granted to him but was overturned by then-Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, officials said.
Davis, 69, is serving a life sentence for the 1969 first-degree murders of music teacher Gary Hinman and stuntman Donald “Shorty” Shea.
In 2010, the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation’s Board of Parole Hearing granted parole to Davis, but Schwarzenegger revoked it, said corrections spokeswoman Terry Thornton.
The parole board in 2010 said that Davis had not been disciplined since 1980 and participated in all available education, vocation and self-help programs.
Manson, 77, is serving a life sentence for nine murders. He led his family of followers in a deadly spree in 1969, whose victims included eight-months-pregnant movie actress Sharon Tate. Manson was denied parole for the 12th time in March.
Manson, whose gruesome killings inspired the best-selling book “Helter Skelter,” will be up for parole again 15 years from now, when he would be 92.
Debra Tate, the sister of Sharon Tate, said she would attend Davis’ parole hearing on Wednesday, to be held at the California Men’s Colony in San Luis Obispo, where Davis is incarcerated, 193 miles northwest of downtown Los Angeles.
“The public needs to know this man is very dangerous now as he was in 1969,” Tate said. She also attended Manson’s parole hearing and objected to Manson’s parole.
Wednesday’s proceeding will mark Davis’ 27th parole hearing, Thornton said.
In a separate, unrelated court proceeding involving another Manson follower, Charles D. “Tex” Watson is seeking to overturn a bankruptcy judge’s order turning over audiotapes of his to the Los Angeles Police Department.
Police want the tapes because they believe the recordings might provide new clues about unsolved killings involving followers of Manson, according to court documents.
But in court papers filed last week, Watson asked Judge Brenda T. Rhoades to revise her decision and merely allow police to listen to all recordings in the presence of a court trustee or other designate but not take possession of them.
The tapes are about eight hours of recordings between Watson and his attorney from 1969, Bill Boyd of McKinney, Texas, whose law firm is now a debtor in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in the same state, court papers said.
According to court documents, Watson waived his attorney-client privilege to the tapes in 1976, and his attorney received partial payment for his legal fees when he gave a copy of the tapes to Chaplain Raymond G. Hoekstra, who subsequently wrote a book, “Will You Die for Me: The Man Who Killed for Charles Manson Tells His Own Story.”
In court filings last week, Watson requested “that the Tapes not be turned over to the LAPD, because they are not a creditor to my late attorney Bill Boyd, God rest his soul” and “because repercussions of the motion have not been fully considered by all parties concerned.”
Added Watson in court documents: “… this case is high notoriety, with much media attention. For this reason, special consideration should be made with who takes possession of The Tapes, so they will not be misused for purposes unintended by the court and that could be hurtful to the families of the victims.”
Watson, 66, was convicted of seven counts of first-degree murder and was denied parole for the 16th time in November. He will be considered again in 2016, according to the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation.
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Behind the scenes, I have been conversing with Alisa Statman over some of the stuff in the Restless Souls book. I have been asking her some very pointed questions concerning some of it, for it goes against what we have been told for years. Alisa, as always, has been more than gracious in her replies, and has been very patient with my questioning, and for this I give her lots of credit. (as some one told me recently “You are persistent”, and that I am).
One of my questions was concerning Sharon Tate’s due date. We have been told for years that it was in August, and when I read October in Restless Souls, I was confused. It is almost two months difference.
Alisa provided this document to show where she got her info from and that she indeed was not making stuff up or it wasn’t an error. Which date is right, we will never know for sure for Sharon was not given the chance to give birth to her son.
So, to Alisa, thank you for this document. And thank you for putting up with my endless questions.
Without further ado, the doctor’s document from Italy from where Alisa got the October date. If there are issues in seeing it, it is from my end and perhaps Mike can step in and make it better:
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Thru all the hard work, it finally came to be, our Truth on Tate LaBianca Forum podcast.
Which I am proud to say, had a lot of work from Paul (so thank you) and Mike (so thank you), and we look toward the future podcasts with the guests we have on board.
This show is on Danny DeCarlo and his life and times.
Enjoy all and thanks for all the love and support.
As we are nearing our time to air our first Truth on TateLaBianca forums podcast, I just wanted to say thanks to all who have given a hand in the production and for everyone who has been so patient and supportive of our efforts. We have some really exciting guests coming your way, so stay tuned for the official announcement.
Tex Watson, of course, got a five year denial. I was really surprised that he even showed up, and with him not willing to really discuss his crimes, I have no clue what he was even thinking if anything at all.
A big thanks to jmenges for the deeds to the Harold True home and the Waverly home of the LaBianca’s. As we all know, it seems to have made more questions than answers in comparing the deeds.
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First of all Happy Thanksgiving to everyone and thank you for the support and patience you all have shown thru this.
We are currently putting the finishing touches on our Truth On Tate LaBianca Podcast show. It is the first of many to come, and we are sticking with the quality that you all have become accustomed to on our Truth On Tate LaBianca forums.
We have lots of exciting things lined up, and on this the eve of Thanksgiving, I just wanted to say thank you for your massive support of the site and many emails wondering about what was going on.
It will be just a little bit longer, for we are about quality with our Truth on Tate LaBianca Forum Podcast.
Happy Thanksgiving all.
Manson Follower ‘Tex’ Watson Seeks Parole in Calif
By DON THOMPSON Associated Press
SACRAMENTO, Calif. November 16, 2011 (AP)
The self-described right-hand man of cult leader Charles Manson, who was convicted of orchestrating the Tate-LaBianca slayings 42 years ago, has his latest parole hearing scheduled Wednesday in a California prison.
Charles “Tex” Watson, 65, has been denied parole 13 times but will try again during a hearing at Mule Creek State Prison in Ione, in the Sierra foothills 50 miles southeast of Sacramento.
Four relatives of Watson’s victims plan to ask that his parole be denied for killing actress Sharon Tate, who was eight months pregnant, and four others at her Beverly Hills home on Aug. 9, 1969. The next night, he helped kill grocery owners Leno and Rosemary LaBianca.
“There’s no question these were some of the most horrific crimes in California history in terms of the brutality, the multiple stab wounds, the gunshots, the large number of victims over a two-day period,” said Los Angeles County Deputy District Attorney Patrick Sequeira. “For a group of people to just slaughter strangers in hopes of igniting a race war is extremely horrifying.”
Watson’s attorney, Cheryl Montgomery, did not return repeated telephone messages.
Watson married and divorced in prison and has four children from conjugal visits, but his family did not respond to a request for comment that was left through the website that promotes Watson’s prison ministry, http://www.aboundinglove.org.
The website says he was raised in Copeville, Texas, north of Dallas, and headed to California in 1967 after dropping out of college. A brief biographical sketch on the site said Watson believed Manson “offered utopia, but in reality, he had a destructive world view, which Charles ended up believing in and acting upon. His participation in the 1969 Manson murders is a part of history that he deeply regrets.”
A book he wrote while in prison is titled, “Manson’s Right-Hand Man Speaks Out!” In the past, Watson has argued that he is a changed man who has been a model prisoner and no longer is a danger to the public.
He did not attend his last parole hearing in 2006 but was portrayed in a psychiatric evaluation at the time as “a very devout fundamentalist Christian … a young, naïve and gullible man (who) got into drugs and bizarre company without appreciating the deviance of the company he was keeping.”
Anthony DiMaria, a nephew of victim Jay Sebring, planned to contest that view of Watson and other Manson disciples.
“They’ve often been portrayed as these victims of Manson, and they are killers. They’re mass murderers,” DiMaria said in a telephone interview before the hearing.
He planned to attend the hearing with his mother and sister.
Debra Tate also was expected to speak to the two-member panel of the California Board of Parole Hearings on behalf of her late sister, Sharon, who at the time was married to film director Roman Polanski.
Watson was convicted in a separate trial after Manson and three female followers were found guilty of the seven murders. Their death sentences were commuted to life when the U.S. Supreme Court briefly outlawed the death penalty in 1972.
DiMaria said his mother has considered it her mission to speak out on behalf of her brother.
“I know that our family, myself included, feel no hatred, anger or vengeance toward them. We actually go out of love for the victims, and we also go out of justice. This is calculated, cold-blooded mass murder in which bodies were desecrated,” DiMaria said. “We want to bring the memories of the victims into the room as the commissioners deliberate on whether to parole the inmate.”
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I would like to thank Alisa Statman for stopping by the Truth On Tate LaBianca forums and clearing up some of the ugly rumors that have been circulating for years on her and Bill Nelson’s dealings.
A: I did not move to Los Angeles until 1988, and I did not meet Mr. Nelson until 1991–a year after moving into the Cielo house–though he started sending me letters in 1990 to the Cielo address.
B: I had never even seen the crime scene photos until long after I moved into the Cielo house when in 1992, Nelson and I paid a visit to (ex) detective Earl Deemer .
C: I would never sell crime scene or death photos for “big bucks” or any bucks. The thought is truly nauseating.
As long as I’m on the subject of photos, Nelson & Deemer, I’d like a chance to clear the air about the now infamous stolen photos that I took from Deemer’s house…
The fact is, I did it and I’d do it again tomorrow for the Tate family or for Jane Doe’s family down the street because that’s where those photos belonged–with the victim’s family…Why? Because when we lose someone we love all we have are memories and photographs.
When I walked into Deemer’s dining room, the table was piled high with “memorabilia” on Sharon’s case. In the midst of it all, I found the slides and negatives of Sharon, Jay, & Woytek at the Cielo house. Because he held both the negatives and the slides, I knew the victim’s families had never seen them. And I was mad as hell because Deemer had kept those pictures from the victim’s families for 23 years. Pictures that they deserved to enjoy, to look at, and to remember their loved ones by. I stole them not for profit, but because the victim’s families been denied that joy and right by a man that wanted them for his personal collection or to sell them once his pension was secure.
How dare he? was all that kept running through my mind. … So, yes, when the two of them left the room, I stole as many as I could pocket, made enough copies for each of the family members (Sebring & Frykowski) and sent them to Patti, for no other reason than that is where they had belonged all along.
When Nelson and I left Deemer’s house I told him about the stolen photos and my plan to return them to the rightful owners and he was extremely angry with me. Following that, Nelson made many threats of what he’d do if I didn’t return the pictures. I told him to f@#k off– That is why Nelson and I parted company. Plain and simple, we had two different agendas and I could not condone his.
I’m sure many of you will still hold the opinion that a thief is a thief, and, of course, you’re entitled to feel that way about me. But there is nothing that anyone could say that would make me personally believe that what I did wasn’t the morally right thing to do.
And, for the record, my upcoming book will (I believe) be the only book dealing with this subject matter that doesn’t include a single photo of the crime/morgue scenes.
Thank you all for indulging me.
Also, Alisa kindly gave us a full book review on the soon to be published Restless Souls:The Sharon Tate Family’s Account of Stardom, Murder, and a Crusade
From Alisa :
I’d never use your forum as means to pimp my book but since you asked, it’s not just based on Col. Tate’s writings, there’s so much more. Below is the book description from the publisher that explains it better than I could –(the one on Amazon is incorrect, a truncated, half-hazard version).
The gruesome murders of the beautiful and talented actress Sharon Tate, her unborn child and four others that same night at the hands of the notorious “Manson family” rocked the nation. As one of the most horrific crimes in modern history, these atrocities, the trial and the subsequent conviction of Charles Manson and his followers caused a media sensation, spawning movies, documentaries and bestselling books, including the classic Helter Skelter. A defining moment in an era otherwise associated with radical peace, love and understanding, this incident is one that still resonates with millions today.
Yet while this crime left an indelible mark on society’s consciousness, it was, first and foremost, a shattering personal tragedy for those closest to Sharon—the loving family left to cope with the emotional devastation of her loss. Now, after nearly forty years, their story is finally revealed.
Compiled by close family friend Alisa Statman and Sharon’s niece Brie Tate, Restless Souls draws on a wealth of material including interviews with the Tates, personal letters, tape recordings, home movies, public interviews, private journals, and official documents to provide a powerful, poignant, and affecting four-decade, three-generation memoir of crime and punishment, anguish and hope, rage and love, that is both a chronicle of death and a celebration of life.
Extending beyond all previous accounts, Restless Souls is the most revealing, riveting, and emotionally raw account not just of these heinous murders, the hunt and capture of the killers and the behind-the-scenes drama of their trials, but of the torment victims families’ endure for years in the wake of such senseless violence.
Tate family members set the record straight, correcting media misinformation and delving well beyond the official storyline to provide information, much of it available for the first time. Intimate, honest, and heartfelt, Restless Souls remarkable details, including :
* the dramatic role Sharon’s father, P. J., a retired army intelligence officer, played in finding his daughter’s murderers
* the reaction P. J. had when he came face to face—alone—with Sharon’s convicted killer in a holding room during a parole hearing
* the threats and menace that extended beyond prison walls, haunting the victim’s family for generations later
* the fight Sharon’s mother, Doris, mounted to insure the rights of victims’ loved ones, particularly the right to make an ‘impact statement’ at parole hearings—a legacy that has helped keep dangerous criminals behind bars
* the battles Sharon’s sister, Patti, waged with the entertainment industry as she tirelessly worked to prevent artists from glorifying her sister’s killers in music, art, and films
Told from the Tate’s extraordinary perspective Restless Souls offers a rare glimpse at the post-trauma survival of a family and their journey to find justice and ultimately, peace—a glimpse that couldn’t be more timely as Charles Manson comes up for parole again in 2012.
So, thanks Alisa for clearing things up and we all look forward to your book. I believe it is a side of things that hasn’t been told and needs to be.
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Paul has uploaded the UCLA footage of the Manson Family in its entirity on his youtube channel for all to enjoy. While bits and pieces have been uploaded, This runs for over an hour a segment so there isn’t all the pointing and clicking that usually comes on youtube due to the 9 minute segments.
This is part one of it. There are the Manson Family attorneys, the Manson girls, and a lot more to be seen in this footage.
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