Truth on Tate-LaBianca Blog Examining the Manson Murders

8Apr/120

Sharon Tate’s Due Date October, 1969 — Doctors Paperwork

Behind the scenes, I have been con­vers­ing with Alisa Stat­man over some of the stuff in the Rest­less Souls book. I have been ask­ing her some very pointed ques­tions con­cern­ing some of it, for it goes against what we have been told for years. Alisa, as always, has been more than gra­cious in her replies, and has been very patient with my ques­tion­ing, and for this I give her lots of credit. (as some one told me recently “You are per­sis­tent”, and that I am).

One of my ques­tions was con­cern­ing Sharon Tate’s due date. We have been told for years that it was in August, and when I read Octo­ber in Rest­less Souls, I was con­fused. It is almost two months difference.

Alisa pro­vided this doc­u­ment to show where she got her info from and that she indeed was not mak­ing stuff up or it wasn’t an error. Which date is right, we will never know for sure for Sharon was not given the chance to give birth to her son.

So, to Alisa, thank you for this doc­u­ment. And thank you for putting up with my end­less questions.

With­out fur­ther ado, the doctor’s doc­u­ment from Italy from where Alisa got the Octo­ber date. If there are issues in see­ing it, it is from my end and per­haps Mike can step in and make it better:

Sharon Tate - October Due Date

For this and more dis­cus­sion on Charles Man­son, the Man­son Fam­ily, and the Tate LaBi­anca mur­ders, come see us at Truth On Tate LaBi­anca Forums.

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9Jan/120

01/09/2012 Truth On Tate LaBianca Forum Podcast

Thru all the hard work, it finally came to be, our Truth on Tate LaBi­anca Forum podcast.

Click here for podcast.

Which I am proud to say, had a lot of work from Paul (so thank you) and Mike (so thank you), and we look toward the future pod­casts with the guests we have on board.

This show is on Danny DeCarlo and his life and times.

Enjoy all and thanks for all the love and support.

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25Nov/110

Truth on Tate LaBianca forums Podcast and other news

As we are near­ing our time to air our first Truth on Tate­LaBi­anca forums pod­cast, I just wanted to say thanks to all who have given a hand in the pro­duc­tion and for every­one who has been so patient and sup­port­ive of our efforts. We have some really excit­ing guests com­ing your way, so stay tuned for the offi­cial announcement.

Tex Wat­son, of course, got a five year denial. I was really sur­prised that he even showed up, and with him not will­ing to really dis­cuss his crimes, I have no clue what he was even think­ing if any­thing at all.

A big thanks to jmenges for the deeds to the Harold True home and the Waverly home of the LaBianca’s. As we all know, it seems to have made more ques­tions than answers in com­par­ing the deeds.

For the full dis­cus­sion and com­par­sions, for this and dis­cus­sion on the Man­son Fam­ily today ‚please visit us at Truth on Tate­Labi­anca Forums.

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23Nov/110

Truth on Tate LaBianca Forums Podcast

First of all Happy Thanks­giv­ing to every­one and thank you for the sup­port and patience you all have shown thru this.

We are cur­rently putting the fin­ish­ing touches on our Truth On Tate LaBi­anca Pod­cast show. It is the first of many to come, and we are stick­ing with the qual­ity that you all have become accus­tomed to on our Truth On Tate LaBi­anca forums.

We have lots of excit­ing things lined up, and on this the eve of Thanks­giv­ing, I just wanted to say thank you for your mas­sive sup­port of the site and many emails won­der­ing about what was going on.

It will be just a lit­tle bit longer, for we are about qual­ity with our Truth on Tate LaBi­anca Forum Podcast.

Happy Thanks­giv­ing all.

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16Nov/111

Tex Watson, Charles Manson Follower, Parole Hearing November 16, 2011

Man­son Fol­lower ‘Tex’ Wat­son Seeks Parole in Calif

By DON THOMPSON Asso­ci­ated Press
SACRAMENTO, Calif. Novem­ber 16, 2011 (AP)

The self-described right-hand man of cult leader Charles Man­son, who was con­victed of orches­trat­ing the Tate-LaBianca slay­ings 42 years ago, has his lat­est parole hear­ing sched­uled Wednes­day in a Cal­i­for­nia prison.

Charles “Tex” Wat­son, 65, has been denied parole 13 times but will try again dur­ing a hear­ing at Mule Creek State Prison in Ione, in the Sierra foothills 50 miles south­east of Sacramento.

Four rel­a­tives of Watson’s vic­tims plan to ask that his parole be denied for killing actress Sharon Tate, who was eight months preg­nant, and four oth­ers at her Bev­erly Hills home on Aug. 9, 1969. The next night, he helped kill gro­cery own­ers Leno and Rose­mary LaBianca.

There’s no ques­tion these were some of the most hor­rific crimes in Cal­i­for­nia his­tory in terms of the bru­tal­ity, the mul­ti­ple stab wounds, the gun­shots, the large num­ber of vic­tims over a two-day period,” said Los Ange­les County Deputy Dis­trict Attor­ney Patrick Sequeira. “For a group of peo­ple to just slaugh­ter strangers in hopes of ignit­ing a race war is extremely horrifying.”

Watson’s attor­ney, Cheryl Mont­gomery, did not return repeated tele­phone messages.

Wat­son mar­ried and divorced in prison and has four chil­dren from con­ju­gal vis­its, but his fam­ily did not respond to a request for com­ment that was left through the web­site that pro­motes Watson’s prison min­istry, http://www.aboundinglove.org.

The web­site says he was raised in Copeville, Texas, north of Dal­las, and headed to Cal­i­for­nia in 1967 after drop­ping out of col­lege. A brief bio­graph­i­cal sketch on the site said Wat­son believed Man­son “offered utopia, but in real­ity, he had a destruc­tive world view, which Charles ended up believ­ing in and act­ing upon. His par­tic­i­pa­tion in the 1969 Man­son mur­ders is a part of his­tory that he deeply regrets.”

A book he wrote while in prison is titled, “Manson’s Right-Hand Man Speaks Out!” In the past, Wat­son has argued that he is a changed man who has been a model pris­oner and no longer is a dan­ger to the public.

He did not attend his last parole hear­ing in 2006 but was por­trayed in a psy­chi­atric eval­u­a­tion at the time as “a very devout fun­da­men­tal­ist Chris­t­ian … a young, naïve and gullible man (who) got into drugs and bizarre com­pany with­out appre­ci­at­ing the deviance of the com­pany he was keeping.”

Anthony DiMaria, a nephew of vic­tim Jay Sebring, planned to con­test that view of Wat­son and other Man­son disciples.

They’ve often been por­trayed as these vic­tims of Man­son, and they are killers. They’re mass mur­der­ers,” DiMaria said in a tele­phone inter­view before the hearing.

He planned to attend the hear­ing with his mother and sister.

Debra Tate also was expected to speak to the two-member panel of the Cal­i­for­nia Board of Parole Hear­ings on behalf of her late sis­ter, Sharon, who at the time was mar­ried to film direc­tor Roman Polanski.

Wat­son was con­victed in a sep­a­rate trial after Man­son and three female fol­low­ers were found guilty of the seven mur­ders. Their death sen­tences were com­muted to life when the U.S. Supreme Court briefly out­lawed the death penalty in 1972.

DiMaria said his mother has con­sid­ered it her mis­sion to speak out on behalf of her brother.

I know that our fam­ily, myself included, feel no hatred, anger or vengeance toward them. We actu­ally go out of love for the vic­tims, and we also go out of jus­tice. This is cal­cu­lated, cold-blooded mass mur­der in which bod­ies were des­e­crated,” DiMaria said. “We want to bring the mem­o­ries of the vic­tims into the room as the com­mis­sion­ers delib­er­ate on whether to parole the inmate.”

Please visit our site Truth On Tate LaBi­anca Forums, for dis­cus­sion on the Man­son Fam­ily today.

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8Nov/110

Restless Souls –Alisa Statman stops by

I would like to thank Alisa Stat­man for stop­ping by the Truth On Tate LaBi­anca forums and clear­ing up some of the ugly rumors that have been cir­cu­lat­ing for years on her and Bill Nelson’s dealings.

From Alisa:

A: I did not move to Los Ange­les until 1988, and I did not meet Mr. Nel­son until 1991–a year after mov­ing into the Cielo house–though he started send­ing me let­ters in 1990 to the Cielo address.
B: I had never even seen the crime scene pho­tos until long after I moved into the Cielo house when in 1992, Nel­son and I paid a visit to (ex) detec­tive Earl Deemer .
C: I would never sell crime scene or death pho­tos for “big bucks” or any bucks. The thought is truly nauseating.

As long as I’m on the sub­ject of pho­tos, Nel­son & Deemer, I’d like a chance to clear the air about the now infa­mous stolen pho­tos that I took from Deemer’s house…

The fact is, I did it and I’d do it again tomor­row for the Tate fam­ily or for Jane Doe’s fam­ily down the street because that’s where those pho­tos belonged–with the victim’s family…Why? Because when we lose some­one we love all we have are mem­o­ries and photographs.

When I walked into Deemer’s din­ing room, the table was piled high with “mem­o­ra­bilia” on Sharon’s case. In the midst of it all, I found the slides and neg­a­tives of Sharon, Jay, & Woytek at the Cielo house. Because he held both the neg­a­tives and the slides, I knew the victim’s fam­i­lies had never seen them. And I was mad as hell because Deemer had kept those pic­tures from the victim’s fam­i­lies for 23 years. Pic­tures that they deserved to enjoy, to look at, and to remem­ber their loved ones by. I stole them not for profit, but because the victim’s fam­i­lies been denied that joy and right by a man that wanted them for his per­sonal col­lec­tion or to sell them once his pen­sion was secure.

How dare he? was all that kept run­ning through my mind. … So, yes, when the two of them left the room, I stole as many as I could pocket, made enough copies for each of the fam­ily mem­bers (Sebring & Frykowski) and sent them to Patti, for no other rea­son than that is where they had belonged all along.

When Nel­son and I left Deemer’s house I told him about the stolen pho­tos and my plan to return them to the right­ful own­ers and he was extremely angry with me. Fol­low­ing that, Nel­son made many threats of what he’d do if I didn’t return the pic­tures. I told him to f@#k off– That is why Nel­son and I parted com­pany. Plain and sim­ple, we had two dif­fer­ent agen­das and I could not con­done his.

I’m sure many of you will still hold the opin­ion that a thief is a thief, and, of course, you’re enti­tled to feel that way about me. But there is noth­ing that any­one could say that would make me per­son­ally believe that what I did wasn’t the morally right thing to do.

And, for the record, my upcom­ing book will (I believe) be the only book deal­ing with this sub­ject mat­ter that doesn’t include a sin­gle photo of the crime/morgue scenes.

Thank you all for indulging me.
Sin­cerely,
Alisa Statman

Also, Alisa kindly gave us a full book review on the soon to be pub­lished Rest­less Souls:The Sharon Tate Family’s Account of Star­dom, Mur­der, and a Crusade

From Alisa :

I’d never use your forum as means to pimp my book but since you asked, it’s not just based on Col. Tate’s writ­ings, there’s so much more. Below is the book descrip­tion from the pub­lisher that explains it bet­ter than I could –(the one on Ama­zon is incor­rect, a trun­cated, half-hazard version).

Book Descrip­tion
Rest­less Souls:

The grue­some mur­ders of the beau­ti­ful and tal­ented actress Sharon Tate, her unborn child and four oth­ers that same night at the hands of the noto­ri­ous “Man­son fam­ily” rocked the nation. As one of the most hor­rific crimes in mod­ern his­tory, these atroc­i­ties, the trial and the sub­se­quent con­vic­tion of Charles Man­son and his fol­low­ers caused a media sen­sa­tion, spawn­ing movies, doc­u­men­taries and best­selling books, includ­ing the clas­sic Hel­ter Skel­ter. A defin­ing moment in an era oth­er­wise asso­ci­ated with rad­i­cal peace, love and under­stand­ing, this inci­dent is one that still res­onates with mil­lions today.
Yet while this crime left an indeli­ble mark on society’s con­scious­ness, it was, first and fore­most, a shat­ter­ing per­sonal tragedy for those clos­est to Sharon—the lov­ing fam­ily left to cope with the emo­tional dev­as­ta­tion of her loss. Now, after nearly forty years, their story is finally revealed.
Com­piled by close fam­ily friend Alisa Stat­man and Sharon’s niece Brie Tate, Rest­less Souls draws on a wealth of mate­r­ial includ­ing inter­views with the Tates, per­sonal let­ters, tape record­ings, home movies, pub­lic inter­views, pri­vate jour­nals, and offi­cial doc­u­ments to pro­vide a pow­er­ful, poignant, and affect­ing four-decade, three-generation mem­oir of crime and pun­ish­ment, anguish and hope, rage and love, that is both a chron­i­cle of death and a cel­e­bra­tion of life.
Extend­ing beyond all pre­vi­ous accounts, Rest­less Souls is the most reveal­ing, riv­et­ing, and emo­tion­ally raw account not just of these heinous mur­ders, the hunt and cap­ture of the killers and the behind-the-scenes drama of their tri­als, but of the tor­ment vic­tims fam­i­lies’ endure for years in the wake of such sense­less vio­lence.
Tate fam­ily mem­bers set the record straight, cor­rect­ing media mis­in­for­ma­tion and delv­ing well beyond the offi­cial sto­ry­line to pro­vide infor­ma­tion, much of it avail­able for the first time. Inti­mate, hon­est, and heart­felt, Rest­less Souls remark­able details, including :

* the dra­matic role Sharon’s father, P. J., a retired army intel­li­gence offi­cer, played in find­ing his daughter’s mur­der­ers
* the reac­tion P. J. had when he came face to face—alone—with Sharon’s con­victed killer in a hold­ing room dur­ing a parole hear­ing
* the threats and men­ace that extended beyond prison walls, haunt­ing the victim’s fam­ily for gen­er­a­tions later
* the fight Sharon’s mother, Doris, mounted to insure the rights of vic­tims’ loved ones, par­tic­u­larly the right to make an ‘impact state­ment’ at parole hearings—a legacy that has helped keep dan­ger­ous crim­i­nals behind bars
* the bat­tles Sharon’s sis­ter, Patti, waged with the enter­tain­ment indus­try as she tire­lessly worked to pre­vent artists from glo­ri­fy­ing her sister’s killers in music, art, and films

Told from the Tate’s extra­or­di­nary per­spec­tive Rest­less Souls offers a rare glimpse at the post-trauma sur­vival of a fam­ily and their jour­ney to find jus­tice and ulti­mately, peace—a glimpse that couldn’t be more timely as Charles Man­son comes up for parole again in 2012.

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So, thanks Alisa for clear­ing things up and we all look for­ward to your book. I believe it is a side of things that hasn’t been told and needs to be.

For dis­cus­sion on the Tate­LaBi­anca mur­ders and tri­als, please visit, Truth On Tate LaBi­anca, for this and more dis­cus­sion on the Man­son Fam­ily Today.

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29Oct/110

Parting of ways

Just to give every­one a heads up:

Due to artis­tic dif­fer­ences, Brian and I have parted ways. He still thinks he is enti­tled to use our Truth On Tate LaBi­anca name even though I have asked him politely not to. So I had to call my attor­neys in. So, this web­site, Truth On Tate LaBi­anca has noth­ing to do with him or that show on that radio sta­tion. I just do not under­stand why he feels enti­tled to con­tinue using the name when he in his own broad­cast words admit that it is based on this web­site. Within the first two min­utes you can hear that he took the name from this site:

But:

That does not mean I will not con­tinue to broad­cast a pod­cast and a live show with the inter­views and peo­ple asso­ci­ated with the case. I have got­ten the equip­ment needed, and con­tinue on with the site and a show on my own.

So, please do not con­fuse that with what we are try­ing to accom­plish here.

I thank you all for your con­tin­ued support.

For the new infor­ma­tion on time and place for our show, please email me at cats at truthontatelabianca.com . Look for­ward to see­ing every­one there.

Cats

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25Oct/110

William Garretson complete interview 2011

Here is the inter­view of the William Gar­ret­son done on Truth on Tate LaBi­anca radio in 10/2011. Gar­ret­son is the sole sur­vivor of the Tate LaBi­anca mur­ders done by Charles Man­son and the Man­son Fam­ily. It is done in two parts and is the com­plete interview.

Thanks to Paul for get­ting this down.

For more infor­ma­tion about the Man­son Fam­ily today, visit Truth on Tate LaBi­anca forums.

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11Oct/110

Stephanie Schram– First interview in 42 years

Thanks to Paul for get­ting this down.

For­mer Man­son Fam­ily mem­ber Stephanie Schram gave the Truth On Tate LaBi­anca radio show her first inter­view in 42 years. My best to Stephanie and her fam­ily, and I thank Stephanie for her time in doing this.

For more infor­ma­tion please visit Truth on Tate LaBi­anca forums where we dis­cuss all things con­nected to the Tate LaBi­anca mur­ders and the Man­son Fam­ily today.

Next week the guest will be William Garretson.

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10Oct/110

10.9.2011 Truth On Tate LaBianca radio show– Guest Stephanie Schram

Last night, on the Truth On Tate LaBi­anca radio show, the spe­cial guest was for­mer Man­son Fam­ily mem­ber Stephanie Schram. In case you missed it, Truth On Tate LaBi­anca forum mem­ber Paul is work­ing on get­ting it on youtube.

When he gets it up, I will post it here for you to lis­ten to.

Next week– the guest is William Garretson.

For more infor­ma­tion and dis­cus­sion on the Man­son Fam­ily today, please visit: Truth on Tate LaBi­anca forums.

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